Helloo
Is David going to release a new single? Or he's going to let the album die in charts with only two singles?
Is anything officially confirmed?
Sorry for me english, I'm waiting replys!

I don't think so, David tiptoed around it when asked, I think it's RCA and I think he needs to change. We're all upset here because of this and don't understand why he hasn't released another compard to all the other artists. You can check out the pinned thread "Have you heard it on the radio yet". It tells about where he is on the charts and much radio play he's getting, which by the way is pitiful.

It's been a looooonnngg time since CBTM was released. I can't wait any longer for a new single!

As iluvcookies81 mentioned, we do have a "Radio" thread where we track David's singles' airplay, except that there hasn't been much to track lately since CBTM has peaked and is on its way back down the chart. It would seem like the perfect time for a new single (well, actually, past time), but we don't have one. A few possible theories abound (of course, no one knows for certain what RCA will do.) One theory is that RCA is waiting until Grammy nominations come out in December to release a new single (Lie? Declaration? Avalanche?) in order to spur the Grammy voters. Also tying into this is the Lie performance on the Carrie Underwood special to air Dec. 7th - spec is that Lie will be released as a single by then.

However, there is also the distinct possibility that there will be NO more singles released from DCTR. A single gets released in order to spur album sales. RCA is quite happy with the nearly 1.3 million copies of DCTR which have been sold so far; however, they may feel that they pretty much have gotten all the sales they're going to get out of it, and that spending time and money on a new single will not yield any appreciable gain in CD sales. RCA has also most likely run through its marketing budget for DCTR by now, so there may not be anything left to promote a new single. RCA also has Kelly Clarkson's and Chris Daughtry's CDs to worry about right now. Neither is doing as well as DCTR did, so they may be focusing their attention on that situation. And, of course, Adam Lambert's CD is coming out in a few weeks, and RCA will be shifting focus to marketing "For Your Entertainment," heavily.

Not to say that RCA has forsaken David Cook for other Idols. RCA and 19 Entertainment/Management are thrilled with the success of DCTR and the tour, to the point that they are moving David onto bigger and better things. We know there is a second album in the works. David has already been working on putting songs together for the new CD and has mentioned starting work in the studio in February, with a summer 2010 release date slated. And a "source" I mined for info a few weeks ago told me that another tour is in the works -- this time with bigger venues, a la Kelly and Daughtry.

The other thing to look at is that, technically, DCTR has had a number of "singles" already: not only TOML (I know, not technically a part of DCTR, but it IS on there), LO and CBTM, but also BBS (which was released to Rock radio in April/May, but basically went nowhere because RCA gave it no promotion) and Permanent (the live version), which was released as a "Charity Single." And even though it was never officially released to radio, Declaration has actually sold very well as a "single" on iTunes and Amazon.

Granted, it is frustrating not to have David actively on the radio right now. Makes it seem like RCA's missing the boat on keeping up David's momentum, but it's common for an artist not to have a current single while they're working on a new album. It's also frustrating that if RCA really had only planned to release 2 singles, there were other, better songs, IMO, on DCTR that they should have/could have released instead (Lie, Avalanche, Declaration) that probably would have been bigger hits.

So as of right now, there are no plans to release another single. About a month ago David was asked in a few interviews about a new single, but he hemmed and hawed a bit, saying that RCA believed that CBTM still had "legs" and they were going to continue to let it run its course (this despite the fact that it had already peaked on the charts and was on its way back down.) So it doesn't look too promising for another single from DCTR, but we just never know.

RCA also has Kelly Clarkson's and Chris Daughtry's CDs to worry about right now. Neither is doing as well as DCTR did, so they may be focusing their attention on that situation.

I didnt realize those albums were struggling a little. So they are not selling as well as DCTR did out of the gate? Very interesting since both of their last albums did so well.

I think it's more about the economy than anything else, plus DCTR had the advantage of being released just as Christmas shopping got into full swing last year. Kelly's CD has been out for about 7 months, Daughtry's for 3 and neither is close to going platinum yet. I'm going by memory, but I'm sure someone has the real figures out there somewhere. Either way, neither album went platinum in less than 3 months like DCTR did. Even U2's "No Line on the Horizon" only just made it to platinum in the past few weeks, and it's been out for almost 8 months. Overall CD sales are slumping with the economy, which makes DCTR's success all the more impressive (the biggest selling CD from a new artist this year) and RCA is happy with that. And we may have to be happy with that, too.

I can't belive Daughtry's hasn't sold so much with all the hype he's always getting. I guess radio play doesn't help CD sales cause here he's on all the time, I don't get the deal, he's no different a rocker than David, unless it's because he wasn't the AI. I'm so impressed by David's album and I'll have to settle for that. I do have mp3's of the covers from the tour which helps. Also we can't forget that as singles TOML and LO went platinum too. It sure would be nice to hear David on the radio again, which really for me I've only heard TOML and part of LO once. I got to hear LO and CBTM on the tv sattelite radio.

I agree that Lie and Avalanche probably would have had the broadest appeal and they missed the boat not releasing one of those two as a single. If David is singing Lie on Carrie U's special, hopefully that spells single release. I agree that it seems strange to just have the few he has had released. I think with CBTM, they could have made a better choice. If they don't want to invest in a new one, it may be because they didn't like what the last one sold and if that's the case --- the should look at their release decision not David's ability to sell.

Still, sounds as if he had a great first album and a second one in the works.


I think they selected the wrong song for Kris Allen as well, though it will probably do well in the long run. Listening to his Miami performance and hearing other songs on the album, I'm puzzled again by their choices.

I have no idea how RCA chooses which songs to release because as much as I love LO and CBTM, I think there were definitely stronger songs on the record, especially Lie. Conspiracy theorists will tell you that RCA wanted to appease Chris Cornell, or that they weren't completely confident of David's songwriting abilities and needed a "name" to help sell the song and the CD, and that's why LO was released first. But then RCA did the Ratethemusic.com survey in January featuring CBTM, Lie and Declaration, so I assume they wanted public input into which song to release next, but I'm not sure that I buy that CBTM was a more popular choice than either Lie or Dec. And technically, based on radio airplay, chart position and download sales, LO was the slightly bigger hit than CBTM. But I believe Lie could be/could have been a bigger hit than either one.

It would be foolish not to release Lie in conjunction with the TV special. It is one of the most relatable tracks on the CD and everyone I know loves it. If David doesn't at least get a Best New Artist Grammy nod, I will picket the ceremonies.

Hi!

It's been a very long time (probably almost a year) since my last post, but I couldn't pass up this topic without throwing in my 2 cents.

I'm glad to see there is FINALLY some honest discussion about the failure of RCA to release another single off DCTR. On most of the DC fansites I visit, people seem blissfully ignorant/unaware/in denial about the situation and the possibility that David is being thrown under the bus by RCA after three successful singles (I'm including TOML here). While that may seem melodramatic, I don't really think it is. 19E does not have the best track record for promoting their idols past their season, and RCA's "reasons" seem pretty lame to me. So does David's "CBTM still has legs" remark. Surely David knows what's happening, but being a laid back and "don't make waves" kind of guy, I think he is saying this to appease his label. Of course, this is the smart thing for him to do.

CBTM has been losing popularity for months now; it's been 9 months since its release, so I'm sorry,but the "legs" comment doesnt hold water anymore. That there hasn't been another--and better--single released from DCTR is still a mystery to me but is a little ominous. IMHO, CBTM was not the best example of a great David single--Avalanche, Lie, or Declaration all would have been much better and more surefire hits than CBTM. I do not understand why one of these wasn't released instead of CBTM, or after CBTM if that one had to be released first for some reason.

None of the released singles (unless you count Permanent, which was only released as a charity single and didn't receive airplay) was written by David; all 3 songs that got any airplay were written by others. Even Bar-Ba-Sol, which was released to rock stations but received no promotion from RCA, was written by someone other than David. This makes no sense to me, as David is an incredibly talented songwriter and lyricist. There is something definitely fishy about RCA's refusal to release one of David's own songs, many of which have more of a "hit" sound than CBTM did. Light On did great. For a while I thought their decision to release this right after TOML was part of RCA and David's campaign to "ease" him toward the rock-buying audience, and that his next single would be a song that would possibly appeal more to rock fans than CBTM, which is soft rock at best.

My theory is that RCA/19E feels that because they already have a hitmaker in Daughtry, whose sound is similar to David's (although personally I think they're worlds apart) and now they have Adam Lambert (their new rocker darling), that in their view David has become sort of a fifth wheel to them, and they don't feel it necessary to spend the time or money releasing another single from the album.

I know this all sounds very negative, but I've felt this way for a while now, and this is the first discussion I've seen about exactly what has been worrying me. It would be tragic if RCA is in fact throwing David under the bus (I certainly hope I'm wrong), without even giving his own songs a chance to see the light of day by non-Idol music listeners. David is a huge talent, and has a bright future, but I'm not too hopeful at this point that RCA and 19 will be doing much to promote his next album either. They don't realize what a jewel they have. So I'm thinking David might be better off if he goes with a different label than RCA and gets away from 19 altogether, since they seem to have practically forgotten about him, and now are far more interested in promoting their "new blood"--season 8 idols Adam Lambert and Danny Gokey (nothing against either of them, since IMO they are both pretty amazing and I'm definitely a huge Gokey fan).

Am I totally out of line by saying this,or does anyone else feel this way too? It's pizzing me the eff off.

Of course 19E doesn't give a rat's arse anymore that David won AI7. It's painfully clear that they choose the idols they want as the true winners, not those who got the most votes. I'm not a huge Kris Allen fan, but the way he's been treated by 19E is just pitiful. You'd barely know he won at all. Sorry if I sound so bitter, but I don't believe for one second that David will be treated any differently by 19E than anyone else. As far as they're concerned, he's just "the guy who won season 7," and for some reason they don't seem to think he's worth investing in much anymore. David needs to find another label that will treat him right. I rest my case.

Interesting points there. I'm not 100% sure that RCA is purposely throwing David under the bus, but I do see where it looks like RCA has decided they've gotten all they can (or want) out of DCTR and they've gone on to concentrate on other things, like Kelly, Daughtry and Adam Lambert, even Kings of Leon.

But then there was the info my tour "source" gave me, and he has no reason to lie or spin things since he doesn't represent either 19 or RCA, but his info is that at least 19 (he only mentioned 19 and not RCA) is -- in his words -- "thrilled" at the success of David's tour and that it's made a lot of money for 19. In return, 19 is planning the next tour and putting David into bigger venues. So obviously someone in David's management is happy with how things are going tour-wise and career-wise, and RCA obviously picked up the option for the second album (something they didn't have to do, see one Hicks, Taylor) so, again, someone must be pleased with David's success. My source has worked with musical artists for decades, and he said he sees that David is very talented and he out and out predicted that David will be "big." And as a broadcast journalist with 25 years' experience and who works for one of the premiere news organizations in the country, I stand by the veracity of my source.

Maybe we're all too close to the situation and too emotionally involved. We, of course, think David is the best musician and singer and deserves to have ALL his music heard by everyone. Maybe we just can't see that to RCA this is a business decision -- they've gotten all the $$$ out of DCTR they think they can, so they're moving on to David's next project. We don't have to agree with it, we don't have to like it, we don't have to be happy about it, but I think we have to, unfortunately, accept it and live with it.

Then again, maybe RCA will surprise us and release Lie at the beginning of December and we'll be all fat and happy again.

Willow, perhaps you're right, but I don't think this is a very smart business decision on RCA's part. CBTM was released almost a year ago, and if they are waiting to release a single from his sophomore album, that probably won't be until next summer, which will make it a YEAR AND A HALF between singles. He may be making money for them touring, but he isn't being exposed to many new fans that way or being given an opportunity to build his fanbase. Most of the people who attend his shows were already fans to begin with, and by the time any new single is released, people will have forgotten who he is. A year and a half is WAY too long between singles for any new artist. How do they expect him to have a fanbase large enough to sell out arenas and larger venues if no one even knows who he is outside the Idol community?

I totally agree with you. CBTM was released in March, almost 8 months ago. It's still charting on AC, but for the most part, it's long since lost its "legs." Now is a prime time to release another single to keep the momentum going leading up to 19/RCA's plans for a second album and a bigger tour. You're right about needing new fans if they're going to fill those bigger venues and the best way to get those new fans is radio airplay. Not sure why RCA doesn't see things like we do, but then again, they're the world's oldest record label -- hopefully they know what they're doing (although their history with Idols doesn't promote confidence in their business decisions.)

All I know is that I certainly like the live version of Lie much, much better than the version on the CD. In fact, I really never cared for the CD version. I would love to see the newer version recorded and used rather than the original.

Jeannine

ditto, ditto, and ditto!!! Boy do I ever agree with EVERYTHING you just said in your post, Jeannine!!

Sharon

Reading everybodies comments i also agree that i cant see David releasing another song from the album.
However, to say that his album is doing better in the charts than Clarkson's or Daughtrys's album (even though you are right looking at the number of copies sold in comparison to his) maybe is down to the matter of location and timings. Where i live, people have heard of Kelly and Daughtrys album and have purchased them, whereas if you mention David Cook, people dont know who you are talking about!! And the fact that they have been around longer in the industry than David has contributed to them being internationally famous. I just dont see that at the moment, as much as i would love David to be known internationally, he has yet to achieve this. And perhaps he would be better off working on his second album, instead of working on getting another single from DCTR, to gain this "household name" we all want him to achieve!

I too worry about David Cook but I have to kind of look at things in perspective. Kelly was the 1st A.I. and you just can't fight that. By the time Daughtry's season rolled around everyone was watching A.I. on TV. People were talking about it all the time. I didn't watch A.I. or any of those type of reality shows but I heard people talking about it all the time. After Daughtry lost at the #4 spot people were disgusted & didn't watch A.I. as much as before. So Daughtry propelled to success just because people wanted to show that he should have won.

I like Daughtry but I really don't think he's as good a David Cook but Daughtry is on the radio all the time. I have Daughtry's 1st album but I listened to it about 2 times & that was it. Not so with DCTR. It's like radio has decided that if they need to pick just one A.I. rocker, then it's Daughtry. Now Daughtry didn't get to release another album for 3 years. David will get one in 1-1/2 years. Personality wise, Daughtry doesn't have much, he's nice but to me kind of boring.

RCA doesn't give a rats *ss about singles. They push album sales. If you want singles, then David should have gone with Jive. Seriously, I thought Jordin Sparks was done for with how slow her album sales were. It took her forever to reach Platinum & that's when the economy was good still. Now I hate her Battlefield single but it's getting huge radio play. I seriously think that I must be totally out of it because some of these songs out there are huge hits & I think they are crab. Daughtry & Cook don't sound anything alike so I fume when people say Cook is a Daughtry wannabee. No way no how.

I am going to keep the faith because I've always felt that David Cook will be big. You have to love the guy, you can't help it. He's a man's man. (Yes, Daughtry is also a man's man.) In that I mean that it's cool for guys to like his music. Sports loves him, he's funny & he's the nicest guy you'll ever meet. He doesn't come off as aloof or arrogant & he's down to earth & people see that & they like it. He's not contraversial & he's very talented.

Yes, it's pitiful with how Kris Allen is treated. All I ever see is Adam Lambert but I really feel that RCA is overestimating how popular Adam Lambert is or will be. He's talented, I'm not going to take that from him, but he just might not go over as expected. One can agree that no matter how talented Adam is he isn't what I consider a "man's man" & I think his album cover cements that more than anything. He's contraversial as far as the public is. He's theatre as far as I can see. I love that Adam is true to himself & I am surprised with his album's cover. I would have thought RCA would have preferred downplaying his "gayness." I know this thread isn't about Adam but more about RCA's lack of promotion, etc.

I think there might be a lull in David's career with RCA but I still feel David will be big. I don't want another single off the record I am looking forward to a new record & I want to hear more of David's true talent & not what RCA thought should be on the album. RCA needs to trust David & his talent.

It's sad that RCA isn't doing what they should with David. I know that with David's talent that he will continue to go uphill with his career though.