I am not sure why there is so much Panic about Archies song coming out before DC.
I can only guess because there seems to be a lot of Archie fans who post in the AI Tour section. I stay away from this section because it seems to be dominated by the Top 10 not Cook. Those of us and there are more of us in the world then there are AI fans, don't care much for the Top ten or Archie's "Crush". We are here because we are Cook fans.
I heard Crush, don't jump all over me, but there is no way I would buy or listen to this very Bubblegum song. I had a time getting through it. My Lord, AOL posted it as "guey". I love Rock, Classical Rock, Classical Music and Old Jazz. No bubblegum for this fan. I was listening to a major network morning show last week. The host said the population is starving for Rock music. Cook will feed them.
Please, this negativity is not good for anyone.

AMEN!

i believe the term is panty-wad fetish

I listened to the song, and I have to admit I was impressed. Not because I like that kind of song. But during the season, if you listen to Archie's studio versions, they seem very dry and unemotional. Naturally, I came to the conclusion that he was a good singer, but he didn't have much of a recording voice. So when I heard the song yesterday, I was impressed. But I agree, it's much too childish for me to actually enjoy it a whole lot. I think the only reason I might buy it is to shut my sisters up.

Hell yeah!!!

Cook is already feeding us with rock!

Besides the fact of which it didn't come out before Cook's single. Ehem, like it or not people, TOML is David C's single and it's #4 on Billboard Hot AC (week after week as greatest gainer), and #8 on Billboard Hot Adult Top 40, hit #3 on Billboard Hot 100, is working it's way back up the Hot 100 at 37 right now, #9 and moving up on AT20 and #37 and moving up on AT40. And does anyone sing along with any other AI Tour song the way folks in NJ have been the past few nights in concert? Or as they have with all of DC's songs like they did the last 2 shows? Just thought I'd remind everyone that DA and KLC singles have come out 2nd, not before DC.
David's album will be epic, his first single will be phenomenal and gain him great cred in the rock world, and I got to tell you I think it's the most anticipated album to come out at the moment, in the biz.

Thanks for the stats, Scott. I get all warm and fuzzy when I hear numbers like that. *grins from ear to ear* And thanks, too, for being a voice of reason on these boards. Some of us (never me, of course . . .) get a little carried away in our Cookie-lust at times!

FOLKS - THIS IS THE 4TH, 5TH OR 6TH THREAD ABOUT "CRUSH" YIKES!!!! PLEASE SEE IF THE TOPIC IS ALREADY ON THE BOARD IN SOME FASHION PRIOR TO POSTING. THANK YOU.

well lets see DC still has TOML and it's doing pretty well so let archie have his single he deserves it and let life be.

http://prettymuchamazing.com/2008/08/04/da...aid-david-cook/

this fall’s biggest hit ????????

we will see

For every seat there is an ***

I apologize that was out of line.

I edit my entry later.

I normally try to stay out the whole thing fan war thing also, especially because I like Archie.

But sites like mentioned above, make me angry because they seemed to be neutral.

And than the whole panic yesterday with the Miley Cyrus thing, it was hilarious.

I don't know...I was worried about Archie releasing his new single...untill he did. Maybe I just don't know about what good music is? I am not impressed or worried anymore. If Cook's album is good and pleases his fans then he will be just fine...I don't and have never seen why everybody gets all worked up over Archie...is he really better than Cook? I just don't see it. More marketable? I guess we will have to wait and see. Archie does have fans that seem to go ape sh*t over him doing anything...that I do see. I don't mean it as a disrespect to Archie, just as a fact. Us Cook fans seem more mature, and therefore more in tune to what is good, and or great....just an opinion!!

I wouldn't go so far as to say that because I feel those words are pretty inflamatory and give the impression that many of Archie's fans have no taste in music. Remember that music is a very subjective subject. That is what is so great about it. There are so many different styles of music out there for people to enjoy. Something one loves another may hate. Case in point is my younger daughter and I. I love Southern Rock and Country. She loves Rap and Hip Hop. She hates my music and I hate hers. That doesn't make her more or less mature than I and it doesn't make one style of music any better than the other. We just don't feel the same about musical styles and have chosen to agree to disagree when it comes to what we wish to listen to.

I still think that comparing the musical styles of David Cook and Archie is like comparing apples and oranges. Both of their preferences in music they wish to perform are very different. Archie's fans like what he is heading towards and I don't care for it. It doesn't make it any less good or make them any more mature or immature. I prefer the sound that David Cook is putting out. That is why I liked him on AI and voted for him and that is why I'll purchase his CD and not Archie's. I hope that they both enjoy great success.

Jeannine

Oh, neither of those sources are really pro-Archie. The first one is pretty tacky, but it refers to Cook as a new rock star and then say that they're surprised that Archie's single doesn't suck. The second one goes into hyperbole over the single, but they also plug Cook's album and talk about a D Vs D showdown, so they're more pro-fanwar than anything.

I wholeheartedly agree with what you are saying! Both Davids are going to do well, because they both have huge fanbases! Although I completely prefer DC, I still like Archie. Will I buy Archie's CD? Maybe. But I am DEFINITELY on pins and needles in anticipation of Cook's album, and I have pre-ordered it! Can't wait! So, the point I am trying to make is that no one should worry about DC at all! He is going to do just fine! So is Archie! I love them both, and these stupid "journalists" keep wanting the duel to stay alive, yuk! Considering how well DC did in his week after being crowned the AI, I think his album is going to be one of the hottest selling albums of all time! I REALLY do believe that!

I had no idea that some people were worried about Archie's single. I never thought of the Davids as competing with each other once they put out their albums, and didn't think "Crush" would affect Cook in any way.

That article had me rolling my eyes a lot. Idol is over, and I think both Davids will be successful because they're talented artists. It's all about what you prefer. I personally can't wait to buy both of their albums. What a jerk move on that writer's behalf to try to stir up enmity between the fanbases.

As far as "Crush" goes, I think it's a smart move as a first single for David. It's upbeat, the chorus is catchy, the lyrics aren't cringe-worthy, and it showcases his voice well. I love Archie to death, but I doubt it will be some grandiose hit. I do think it will do relatively well on the charts, though, and will help pave the way for the rest of his album.

And um... well, that's all I had to say lol (:

Indeed it is Annie

I like Archie, but Crush is definitely not my type of music. I do wish him well.

What style is Crush officially called? I read "bubblegum" and "pop" but when I was a kid, both of those words meant something completely different than what it does now. Someone else called it R&B, but that DEFINITELY meant something else back then.

I liked the old-fashioned bubblegum / pop music and R&B, but don't like the newer songs that are called bubblegum or pop.

It is funny, because I love music and have liked the music of almost every generation - from the crooners and the big bands to Elvis and the Beatles to hard rock, soft rock, southern rock, grunge rock, motown, pop, easy listening, folk, country, cross-over country, classical, jazz, punk, reggae, old hymns, Christian contemporary, Gospel, etc until this generations music.

I hate almost all of their stuff. I'm not sure why.

I should clarify, I DO like a lot of modern bands of this generation, just not whatever style people like Jordin and Leona Lewis and Chris Brown and people like that are.

woah woah woah

David's single "Time of my Life" came out before "Crush" and "Crush" is by far a better single than Cooks.

(my reply is to the person who started this topic)

^^ It's all a matter of preference. No need to go bad-mouthing Cook's single and making the rest of us Arch Angels look bad.

thats ur opinion and many ppl may share it and many ppl may not. doesnt give u the right to say something so mean out loud. keep mean things to urself.

my opinoin: i love both equally there awesome in there own way. deliciously cheesy

THANK YOU. Took the words out of my mouth.

And DC doesn't have to worry about crush, Cook will sell tons of records because people like his music. The Davids are friends, not competition. (And if you ask them, they never saw each other as such). Their success are indepement of each other. Considering they both have really commited fans, I doubt either of them has to work much.

Stop fighting people. And remember tooo if you say something bad about COOK in a COOK board you'll get a reaction. Just keep it friendly and nothing personal. Because many people take this stuff personally for some reason because you can criticize the song if you would like but give the artist a little bit of credit too.

Haha Jay<3

and I agree with you.

Well, I don't like "Crush" at all.
But I would certainly hope that it would be a better single, considering it was written and produced by professionals and TOML was the winner of an amateur songwriting competition. But thank you for proving my point that for the many Archie fans, the competition is not over.

R U kidding? Crush is better?? Only an Archie fan would say that. Maybe you should stay on the Archie Sites and leave this to The Cook fans

My dear, it seems that the majority of your few posts here have not been in any kind of support for Mr. Cook. Remind me again why you joined this forum?

I find it interesting that you are entirely forgetting to mention that Mr. Cook's single was the coronation single which was not written for him exclusively while Crush was created to be hit for Mr. Archuleta. As a coronation single, TOML has done pretty darned well, IMO. And, of course it was released first. It was released upon the show's conclusion for the winner to sing. Archie would have sang it had he won. What would you have thought of it then?

As for which one I like, I prefer TOML hands down. Now, that isn't to say that Crush is a badly written song or recorded performance. It just isn't my cup of tea. You, however, are stating your opinion as if it is a fact. I'm under the impression that you are doing this to incite controversy. Is that your goal?

I say let both of these young men be successful. You don't need to slam Mr. Cook to make Mr. Archuleta's chances better. I'm sure he will do just fine without your help.

Jeannine

Amen!
Sorry, but Archuleta's fans (not necessarily "THE REAL ME") are so rude and vulgar!

*sigh*

Sorry that some of DA's fans have made you feel that way. Not all of us are like that.

To an official Cookie,

Yes, I have a lot of 20-something people around me who prefer the music from my generation, too. I can't believe how many of them listen to Grateful Dead, The Who, Led Zepplin, the Beatles, Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull, etc.

It seemed strange to me at first, but not surprising on second thought, because each of those bands had very unique "creative voices" - originality isn't big nowadays. In fact the trend is to make music in the formula of what already works. Unfortunately for DA, I feel like Crush is a formula song.

To me, that was what disappointed me most about Crush, because I think DA is a very unique young man in his moral and emotional stance and how he thinks - even how he chose the lyrics to the songs on the show was uniquely him. If they wrote songs around who he is and songs that fit his unique perspective, he could become an original voice for his generation.

It was disappointing and strange to me that his perspective (stated by him over and over and over again) is to not lose your head in relationships and the first song they give him is "Crush."

But the 16 year olds who are around me seem to really eat up the style of music "Crush" is, so I think "Crush" will be a HUGE financial success, since Leona Lewis and Chris Brown and Jordin really have sold a lot of music.

I just, personally don't like that type of music and I am disappointed that they took this young man, who stated that he wanted to do songs that are meaningful and inspiring and gave him this for his first single, because they don't trust that there is an audience for meaningful and inspiring.

I'm not saying they should have given him a ballad. They should be able to do meaningful and inspiring even in this genre. Every genre, has artists who aim inspirational. If he likes the rhythms and phrasing of this style of music, fine, but... the lyrics are so inappropriate for who he is.

I feel like the people who chose it for him, to capitalize on the young girls with crushes on him and to make him less pure as snow. To me, if he really is uncomfortable with young women acting stupidly and if he really is pure as snow, they should have kept that part of him and wrote the music around who he is.

And, as fiscally stupid as this might sound, if he really prefers other genres of music, like ballads, they should have led with that, EVEN if it wouldn't sell as much as a song like "Crush." If he, at heart, is a young Josh Grobin or Michael Buble, they have an audience, too and they should help him find great songs of that genre.

I say that, because even for Star Search when he was 12, he tended to choose songs toward that style, rather than "Crush" style. If he chose all of those songs just to please an audience, rather than a love for the music, and if he is doing "Crush" to please another audience, then that says his true motivation is pleasing people, and, in that case, I am wrong and "Crush" was a perfect choice, because it WILL please his peers.

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PS " School starts in a month. Hopefully they will be too busy to post here anymore

I think we all forget Magic Rainbow was out almost instantly, before anyone else. So if you look at it that way, DC had a single out before anyone. AND he broke a ton of records with it.

I actually like Archie's song. It's catchy. I think we all have to remember too, he's only 17. Bubblegum is all the kid knows. And he's signed to Jive... do you expect anything less from Jive?

I guess I understand why there's still a debate going on about Cookie vs. Archie (kind of but not really ), but it seems pretty pointless, basically just something to worry over and occupy ourselves with until the albums come out. Both are talented but are very different...if they both have it in them to record, perform, and be successful in the long term (and I believe they do), this debate isn't going to go too far past their first albums, and definitely not to their second. They have American Idol, shared friendship and respect for one another (in case anyone has forgotten), and an only partially shared fan base in common. I really don't see them competing forever--their careers will go in very different directions if they are to be successful and true to their personal interests and talents.

I like 'em both.Stop fighting.

EXACTLY, people....no more animosity in this thread....it's ok to express opinions, but if it's clearly obvious that they're going to cause drama within the community, then for the fans' sakes....keep it to yourself...

bottom line: If these negative posts keep going, this thread will be closed, ripped, and burned away into oblivion....thank you

No offense, but here's the fact:

"CRUSH"
The highest debut, at #2, on the Hot 100 this year.
The highest debut of all Idol album singles on the Hot 100
The highest position of all Idol album singles (tied with Kelly Clarkson’s “Since U Been Gone”) on the Hot 100.
The highest chart position for an Idol, period, since Taylor Hicks coronation single, “Do I Make You Proud” debuted at #1 in 2006.

As wordnerds (of course i am one of u guys), how do u guys think abt it? Im getting mad rite now, dunno why, lol.

Wait till David releases his SECOND single.
That's why I've been saying, when David's new SINGLE and ALBUM comes out, we've got to support him anyway we can!

Don't be worried. chill.
Congrats to Lil Bro for achieving that. He has very supportive fans..

Don't get mad! It's all good...Archie deserves it. Remember Cookie broke all sorts of records himself. He didn't reach #2, however, he had more downloads at #3 than Archies single does at #2. Good for Archie...and when you feel a twinge of anger look at the records Cookie broke.

Nice point there aja..

Thank you so much for saying this. We already have a "supposed" fan at mj's blog calling Archie the success story of the year. In other words, she thinks Cookie will fail I think. I never knew she was a fan of Cookie based on some of the hateful posts she has made about him there and it really ticked me off. She doesn't post that often but when she does, it makes my blood boil! That thread there was to basically celebrate Archie's accomplishment with Crush and if you like Archie you should, and even if you don't, others should be denied for expressing their feelings of happiness for him if you know what I mean. I think there is room for 2 success stories this year.



Yes, very good point indeed!

There is plenty of room. While I don't care for Archie's single, I'm very happy for him.

I can't wait for David's CD filled with songs that are actually made for him to come out. If he can do this well with a coronation song, I can't wait to see how he does with his CD. I wish them both much success.

Jeannine

Yes, I read that comment.
They haven't even released their albums yet!
I wouldn't say that THEY are the success stories of the year just yet, since the year 2008 isn't even over yet !

Here is what David himself has to say to Archies single

Houston Chronicle
Aug. 20, 2008, 10:10AM

Tour leaves David Cook very little idle time

Thanks for the link!
Can't wait for David's single !

Notice what David says here, that he's involved with the writing process. Archie and KLC did not write their songs; those songs were sitting on a shelf waiting for someone to record them. I'm sure no one here wants David to just slap together something halfway just to get it out quicker. Besides the fact that David does have a single out, and it's been out and has been played on the radio -- and several key TV appearances too -- for three months now and has sold over 700,000 copies and has been near the top of both the Top 40 and AC charts. And it's not slowing down yet. We need to celebrate that instead of worrying about what other singers are doing.

I don't see what the big deal is. We all know that Cookie will rock when his album is released, regardless of who released what first. Plus, DC and Archie are not even in the same genre or appeal to the same fans. There is plenty of space for both and I wish them both the best. I am not a huge Archie fan, however I do have to admit that hearing him in person did change some of my opinion. He really is talented.

I definitely agree with this -- I wasn't much of an Archie fan until I heard him sing live in person. First it was at the Today Show in May and he sang "Think of Me" and I was really impressed. But hearing his complete AI set live and in person was fantastic. Some of the notes he hit sent chills down my spine. He does a spectacular job on "Angels" and I thought his little dance during the "Beautiful Girls" part of "Stand By Me" was soooo cute. I noticed at the Charlotte concert that Archie has really grown and matured as a performer. I thoroughly enjoyed his set. "Crush" has grown on me a little bit, and I wish DA well, but it's not something I'm going to be putting on my iPod.

And you're right -- Archie's "Crush" and DC's forthcoming new rock single appeal to two different audiences and are not in competition with each other.