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missymarsie
QUOTE (Jesscookie @ Jul 17 2008, 05:36 PM) *
dun haf dun haf dun haf dun haf dun haf ohmy.gif ohmy.gif ohmy.gif


oh boo.. i swear i had sent it twice. my internet's so unstable, sigh.

anyway I ordered the stamps from a girl over at the dc lj community (davidcookai7) when the stamps first came out. She bought them for a few of us international fans and had them shipped over.
scf
QUOTE (missymarsie @ Jul 17 2008, 01:23 AM) *
i think they don't understand why we keep coming back for more. they mostly think he's a great singer and fantastic performer, but that's it. they don't know the david that we have all come to love and admire. the sweet, intelligent, funny and sexy david. most people can't be bothered to find out more about their favourite singers. and i think for us, the more we know about him, the more obsessed we get as we fall even more in love with this man. am i making any sense here or am i just rambling? laugh.gif

exactly biggrin.gif


I got my stamps a few days ago! I was posting over at the stamps thread when they first came out and a user (Melrose) helped me purchase them! I chose the Missouri state one obviously laugh.gif
Jesscookie
sigh lucky u all. I never buy any

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scf
I'm sure you can request on the thread and someone may be able to help you! Don't be sad!

Btw, just a random thought: Who here likes his lil' paunch? Am I the only one who's neutral about it? Everyone seems to love it and doesn't want him to lose it by working out more laugh.gif
Cookey's Fan
QUOTE (scf @ Jul 17 2008, 10:09 PM) *
Btw, just a random thought: Who here likes his lil' paunch? Am I the only one who's neutral about it? Everyone seems to love it and doesn't want him to lose it by working out more laugh.gif

LOL. That tummy. tongue.gif tongue.gif

I'm also one of those who's neutral about that. To be precise, I like David the way he is, and that includes his tummy. He seems to have that ability to make me feel secure about the way I look. smile.gif


QUOTE (Jesscookie @ Jul 17 2008, 09:42 PM) *
sigh lucky u all. I never buy any

sad.gif

Well, neither did I, so you ain't alone on this one.

However, it's mainly because I don't really think I need 'em anyway.
missymarsie
QUOTE (scf @ Jul 17 2008, 10:29 PM) *
exactly biggrin.gif


I got my stamps a few days ago! I was posting over at the stamps thread when they first came out and a user (Melrose) helped me purchase them! I chose the Missouri state one obviously laugh.gif


SCF I got the Missouri ones too!!! wahahaha great minds think alike tongue.gif laugh.gif tongue.gif laugh.gif

QUOTE (Cookey's Fan @ Jul 18 2008, 12:25 AM) *
LOL. That tummy. tongue.gif tongue.gif

I'm also one of those who's neutral about that. To be precise, I like David the way he is, and that includes his tummy. He seems to have that ability to make me feel secure about the way I look. smile.gif


I'm quite neutral about it too. I wouldn't mind him losing it, but I would not support him any less even if he doesn't.

QUOTE (Cookey's Fan @ Jul 18 2008, 12:25 AM) *
Well, neither did I, so you ain't alone on this one.

However, it's mainly because I don't really think I need 'em anyway.


Yeah, now I'm kinda wondering what to do with the stamps.. any ideas? I thought of framing them up, but I think my mom will probably be freaked out. haha tongue.gif
widz
omg i just realised there's a Singapore thread.haha
but I'm an Indonesian living in Singapore..so should I go to the Indo thread too ?lol
Cookey's Fan
QUOTE (widz @ Jul 18 2008, 01:48 PM) *
omg i just realised there's a Singapore thread.haha
but I'm an Indonesian living in Singapore..so should I go to the Indo thread too ?lol

Welcome to the Singapore thread, widz. smile.gif

Well, lucky you - talk about having the best of both worlds. Or should I say, both threads. laugh.gif Do pop by here more often, whenever you can. smile.gif



**PS: I'm currently working on the Sport Your Support event. I wonder if you're interested to be a part of it? smile.gif
missymarsie
QUOTE (widz @ Jul 18 2008, 02:48 PM) *
omg i just realised there's a Singapore thread.haha
but I'm an Indonesian living in Singapore..so should I go to the Indo thread too ?lol


I was gonna say Welcome but then I realised I already talked to you on the phone charm thread. laugh.gif
xXe_future_starXx
heyhey!
new to this site...
yay! finally there are dc fans in s'pore!!
i came from the word nerds site and i was like, yoohoo, is there any s'porean word nerds here huh.gif
cuz i feel like im the only s'porean word nerd there who's active..
please please join wordnerds...
cuz i will feel lonely there..
and the asian wordnerds were planning to get dc here and i think im the only one from s'pore..the rest are from phillipines..
sadxx
Cookey's Fan
QUOTE (xXe_future_starXx @ Jul 19 2008, 09:16 AM) *
heyhey!
new to this site...
yay! finally there are dc fans in s'pore!!
i came from the word nerds site and i was like, yoohoo, is there any s'porean word nerds here huh.gif
cuz i feel like im the only s'porean word nerd there who's active..
please please join wordnerds...
cuz i will feel lonely there..
and the asian wordnerds were planning to get dc here and i think im the only one from s'pore..the rest are from phillipines..
sadxx

Welcome to D-C.org!! I'm sure you will like it here. smile.gif

I have registered an account there too, but for some reasons, I didn't really feel like hanging around there much.

If clamoring for David to come to Singapore to perform means having to pop by there and holler ... yeah sure, why not? It's worth a shot - no harm done. wink.gif
scf
QUOTE (missymarsie @ Jul 18 2008, 12:08 AM) *
SCF I got the Missouri ones too!!! wahahaha great minds think alike tongue.gif laugh.gif tongue.gif laugh.gif

Of course tongue.gif tongue.gif

Hey to widz and xXe_future_starXx! *waves*
xXe_future_starXx
well i love it there...really feels like home there...
im just not used to being here..
well they are palnning to get dc here but not now..
for now they are asking us to request for dc songs on the radio every single time if possible..
haha..which is what im going to do rightaway!!

widz
QUOTE (Cookey's Fan @ Jul 18 2008, 03:59 PM) *
**PS: I'm currently working on the Sport Your Support event. I wonder if you're interested to be a part of it? smile.gif

Hey are you doing that ? I'll be happy to be a part of it ! smile.gif
QUOTE
I was gonna say Welcome but then I realised I already talked to you on the phone charm thread.

lol..btw, I already ordered..but I'm planning to send the payment in two weeks..going to Hong Kong in a week..so yeah..haha

Hey scf and xXe_future_starXx !
*waves too*
xXe_future_starXx
hey scf!!
hey widz!!
and if it's not too late, hey cookey's fan!!

gahh...my olevels coming...and im still here...and not studying...
but i still do study of course..hehe
widz
QUOTE (xXe_future_starXx @ Jul 19 2008, 01:04 PM) *
gahh...my olevels coming...and im still here...and not studying...
but i still do study of course..hehe


but you're much more interested in studying david cook right ? lol
that's why when cookie was in AI..i tried not to watch it on TV (channel 5 or starworld) so i could concentrate on exams (my exams were in May-June). And now, since it's a holiday for me..I'm FREE ! lol
xXe_future_starXx
haha me too..

that's it im going to study...
and after this year im going to be FREE!!!!
yess...hahahaahahaha..


and anyway, please support me in the next two years!!
'cuz im joining s'pore idol..if there is going to be any....
wish me luck....and rmb to vote for me!!!yay!!!
my whole class will be behind me...and i hope dc fans too will support me!!
widz
QUOTE
and anyway, please support me in the next two years!!
'cuz im joining s'pore idol..if there is going to be any....
wish me luck....and rmb to vote for me!!!yay!!!
my whole class will be behind me...and i hope dc fans too will support me!!


of course ! lol..so are they going to have SI or not next year?
xXe_future_starXx
i don't exactly know about that...'cuz there are soooo many other singing competitions right now that SI was not able to be held this year..

ooh...just can't help imagining that dc may be one of the guest artiste in SI when i join it in 2 years time...
widz
QUOTE
ooh...just can't help imagining that dc may be one of the guest artiste in SI when i join it in 2 years time...

if that happened i would die...*THUD* ! lol
xXe_future_starXx
me too, widz....me too...
omg.... blink.gif ......

umm does anyone know where to get the wristbands here in s'pore??....'cuz my parents wouldn't let me buy them overseas... sad.gif
scf
QUOTE (widz @ Jul 19 2008, 12:11 PM) *
that's why when cookie was in AI..i tried not to watch it on TV (channel 5 or starworld) so i could concentrate on exams (my exams were in May-June). And now, since it's a holiday for me..I'm FREE ! lol

Gah how can you resist? I had exams in late may but I was still coming over everyday laugh.gif Thankfully my grades weren't really affected *phew*
QUOTE (xXe_future_starXx @ Jul 19 2008, 12:17 PM) *
and anyway, please support me in the next two years!!
'cuz im joining s'pore idol..if there is going to be any....
wish me luck....and rmb to vote for me!!!yay!!!
my whole class will be behind me...and i hope dc fans too will support me!!

Good luck!! smile.gif
QUOTE (xXe_future_starXx @ Jul 19 2008, 12:49 PM) *
umm does anyone know where to get the wristbands here in s'pore??....'cuz my parents wouldn't let me buy them overseas... sad.gif

I don't think you can get them here unfortunately sad.gif
missymarsie
QUOTE (widz @ Jul 19 2008, 01:01 PM) *
lol..btw, I already ordered..but I'm planning to send the payment in two weeks..going to Hong Kong in a week..so yeah..haha


Hey, actually I was thinking we can combine payment or smtg. I've never used WU before, so I thought (if it's not too troublesome for u) that u can pay for me thru WU and then I pay you via bank transfer or smtg. haha.. nvm I'll PM u soon.

AND I just got back from Hong Kong! (okla more like a month already but it still feels like it was so recent) I wanna go back there and shop at H&M! Hope it's not raining too much now when you go.. laugh.gif

and *waves* hello xXe_future_starXx laugh.gif tongue.gif

QUOTE (xXe_future_starXx @ Jul 19 2008, 10:16 AM) *
heyhey!
new to this site...
yay! finally there are dc fans in s'pore!!
i came from the word nerds site and i was like, yoohoo, is there any s'porean word nerds here huh.gif
cuz i feel like im the only s'porean word nerd there who's active..
please please join wordnerds...
cuz i will feel lonely there..
and the asian wordnerds were planning to get dc here and i think im the only one from s'pore..the rest are from phillipines..
sadxx


Well, there are quite a few DC forums around, and I can already *barely* keep up with this site, let alone joining all the other sites. haha.. I must be getting really old. blink.gif

Anyone knows how ABMB did on the 98.7 charts this week? I missed it last night.
widz
QUOTE
Hey, actually I was thinking we can combine payment or smtg. I've never used WU before, so I thought (if it's not too troublesome for u) that u can pay for me thru WU and then I pay you via bank transfer or smtg. haha.. nvm I'll PM u soon.


I sent an email to your email..lol...hope we can work something out..smile.gif
Cookey's Fan
QUOTE (widz @ Jul 19 2008, 12:01 PM) *
Hey are you doing that ? I'll be happy to be a part of it ! smile.gif

Cool~!! biggrin.gif

I hope more can join us to Sport Your Support for DC. smile.gif


QUOTE (missymarsie @ Jul 19 2008, 04:13 PM) *
Anyone knows how ABMB did on the 98.7 charts this week? I missed it last night.

Always Be My Baby is at #2 this week, a non-mover from last week.

I've updated the first post in this thread. smile.gif
xXe_future_starXx
QUOTE (Cookey's Fan @ Jul 19 2008, 01:42 AM) *
Cool~!! biggrin.gif

I hope more can join us to Sport Your Support for DC. smile.gif


hey i would like to join too!!
Cookey's Fan
QUOTE (xXe_future_starXx @ Jul 19 2008, 05:01 PM) *
hey i would like to join too!!

Cool, noted. smile.gif Your name and widz's have been added into the list of those interested to be a part of the Sport Your Support move.

QUOTE (xXe_future_starXx @ Jul 19 2008, 12:30 PM) *
i don't exactly know about that...'cuz there are soooo many other singing competitions right now that SI was not able to be held this year..

ooh...just can't help imagining that dc may be one of the guest artiste in SI when i join it in 2 years time...

If David were to make a guest appearance, that's a heavenly godsent! biggrin.gif

On the other hand, I doubt SI will be held this year. Also, I would prefer it to be held sometime next year, as I'm still on a David Cook high.

But if it's back and you're participating in it, you have my back on that. smile.gif
scf
QUOTE (missymarsie @ Jul 19 2008, 04:13 PM) *
Well, there are quite a few DC forums around, and I can already *barely* keep up with this site, let alone joining all the other sites. haha.. I must be getting really old. blink.gif

You're not the only one! blink.gif
blue_sky78
Hello and welcome to the new DC.org members! *waves* I finally heard the countdown on 98.7 and yep, David Cook at number 2 with ABMB!

As for other DC forums out there, I'm with the rest of you, I have trouble keeping up with THIS one as it is already. laugh.gif But seriously though, when I first googled for David Cook and came across this board, I was thrilled cos it has ALL the goodies! wink.gif And its a nice place to be. Needless to say, it FED the obsession BIG time!
xXe_future_starXx
yup, this site really does have a lot of stuff about dc..i like!
Jesscookie
I'm lazy < I can't find the way to join "show you support campaign"

I did go to page 1 of this thread, and there's no link to "how to join'

enlighten me?

and has everyone seen the big crazyness of a pic ? http://david-c.org/displayimage.php?album=177&pos=8

anyway I'm still v bummed over not getting stamps even though yah, not much of a use EXCEPT FOR DROOLING OVER THEM. lol, I dont have paypal, so it hard to get ppl in the states to help buy stuff. sians.

I don't watch Singapore Idol... oops~~~~~~BUT if there's a fren on it, I will watch & all SG cookies' fans are frens right? smile.gif

(and then I'm back to dreaming of the day, David the sexiest guy on earth, will grace Singapore)
scf
QUOTE (Jesscookie @ Jul 20 2008, 05:51 PM) *
I'm lazy < I can't find the way to join "show you support campaign"

I did go to page 1 of this thread, and there's no link to "how to join'

enlighten me?

and has everyone seen the big crazyness of a pic ? http://david-c.org/displayimage.php?album=177&pos=8

anyway I'm still v bummed over not getting stamps even though yah, not much of a use EXCEPT FOR DROOLING OVER THEM. lol, I dont have paypal, so it hard to get ppl in the states to help buy stuff. sians.

I don't watch Singapore Idol... oops~~~~~~BUT if there's a fren on it, I will watch & all SG cookies' fans are frens right? smile.gif

(and then I'm back to dreaming of the day, David the sexiest guy on earth, will grace Singapore)

Just mention here that you wanna join and Seth will put your name down! smile.gif

OMG HQ pics of the tour *faints*
edit: The pic that you gave the link to just finished loading and I see what the fuss is about. The side profile.. laugh.gif laugh.gif

I didn't have a paypal account too, till I wanted to get the stamps and signed up for one. If you have a dedit/credit card, you can sign up for paypal too! I used a dedit card wink.gif
xXe_future_starXx
since im new here i would like to know all you cookiefans' names as a start!!
and what you guys do in real life!!

my name's Sabryna...weird name-spelling, i know..but still the same pronunciation as "Sabrina"...
so there you go..
and i'm a graduating student....gahh stress..olevels coming!!
and after that maybe i will do a diploma in mass comm. in ngee ann poly..
hehe..
so who's next??
missymarsie
QUOTE (Cookey's Fan @ Jul 19 2008, 05:42 PM) *
Always Be My Baby is at #2 this week, a non-mover from last week.

I've updated the first post in this thread. smile.gif


Thanks for always keeping us updated Seth! biggrin.gif

QUOTE (Jesscookie @ Jul 20 2008, 06:51 PM) *
and has everyone seen the big crazyness of a pic ? http://david-c.org/displayimage.php?album=177&pos=8

I don't watch Singapore Idol... oops~~~~~~BUT if there's a fren on it, I will watch & all SG cookies' fans are frens right? smile.gif

(and then I'm back to dreaming of the day, David the sexiest guy on earth, will grace Singapore)


haha oooh I love those pics. In fact this one right here is my current wallpaper. laugh.gif YUM!

oooh I watched SI! I was crazycrazycrazy about Taufik then. haha.. Didnt really fancy Hady though. Was bummed it wasnt Taufik in Asian Idol instead. Actually I had never followed American Idol until this season. LOL. Trust DC to change that for me. biggrin.gif laugh.gif

QUOTE (xXe_future_starXx @ Jul 20 2008, 11:16 PM) *
since im new here i would like to know all you cookiefans' names as a start!!
and what you guys do in real life!!


Haha.. we never got around to doing this did we?

Ok here I go.. with boring information about myself.

My name's Mardhiati, pple usually call me mars/mas/maz however you spell it I don't really care. I'm turning 23 this year (my bday's a week before Cookie's! tongue.gif ) and I'm an auditor.
Jesscookie
QUOTE (missymarsie @ Jul 21 2008, 12:37 AM) *
Thanks for always keeping us updated Seth! biggrin.gif



haha oooh I love those pics. In fact this one right here is my current wallpaper. laugh.gif YUM!


I wanted to put it as wallpaper at WORK. but i tink better not!

I'm Jessica and I'm a couple of mths older than DC! And is working as Accounts Asst

anyway I come bearing present

PLEASE SIT DOWN



r u sure u r sitting down?

scf
Evelyn here and I'm studying for a sports science degree. I am 4 years 10 months and 7 days younger than David tongue.gif

Jess! Those are the pics from the fabulous flickr account right? laugh.gif
Jesscookie
ya but someone turned it into a gif !!!!!!!!!
Cookey's Fan
QUOTE (missymarsie @ Jul 20 2008, 11:37 PM) *
Thanks for always keeping us updated Seth! biggrin.gif

No problem - you're welcomed! smile.gif

I'll continue to monitor the charts, as long as David is still in the charts. smile.gif


QUOTE (xXe_future_starXx @ Jul 20 2008, 10:16 PM) *
so who's next??

A moment of introduction, eh? I ain't too good with things like these, but I'll try.

Seth's the name, male, and I'm been supporting DC right from the start, from his audition clip onwards.

I'm currently working, and my birthday's 4 days after his. smile.gif
missymarsie
QUOTE (Jesscookie @ Jul 21 2008, 11:33 AM) *
I wanted to put it as wallpaper at WORK. but i tink better not!


you should just put DC as your wallpaper at work! let everyone know about your love for DC! laugh.gif

but it is super distracting. I have a tendency to occasionally (more like constantly) minimize all my windows to stare at my desktop. haha..
sha♥cookies
i'm just wondering, is anyone going to SingFest next weekend?
Cookey's Fan
QUOTE (sha♥cookies @ Jul 24 2008, 06:51 PM) *
i'm just wondering, is anyone going to SingFest next weekend?

I would love to, but I won't be there. sad.gif Rather, I will be away for the upcoming MTV Asia Awards in Genting, Malaysia.


**side-track: Anybody in Singapore/Malaysia interested in going for the MTV Asia Awards, please PM me. I have one extra ticket.
scf
Are you? Nah for me. Too expensive, and the only act I'm interested in is Jason Mraz
widz
Seth, I'd love to go to Genting, but can't.. sad.gif

Anyway, the name's Widya, female, 17, starting uni on the 4th of August..
missymarsie
QUOTE (Cookey's Fan @ Jul 25 2008, 12:37 AM) *
I would love to, but I won't be there. sad.gif Rather, I will be away for the upcoming MTV Asia Awards in Genting, Malaysia.


**side-track: Anybody in Singapore/Malaysia interested in going for the MTV Asia Awards, please PM me. I have one extra ticket.


Garh I wanna PM you about this.. buuuut.. sigh I kinda feel cheated. A friend's friend offered to give me 2 tix for the MTV Asia Awards, and when I said I was interested, she asked for money. Still waiting for her to get back to me on what's her final deal. angry.gif
blue_sky78
Hey all, I'm late with the intros. tongue.gif My name's Fareeza and I'm a legal exec working in intellectual property. I studied electrical engineering in NUS and that was it, had enough of engineering *shudders* never wanted to go into anything engineering related after that and somehow ended up in intellectual property.. hmmm.. laugh.gif

Seth! Thanks for making the offer for the MTV Asia Awards. I was interested in going but there's no one there that I'm really dying to see. Sidenote: I went to the first MTV Asia Awards in Singapore, I can't remember which year that was now, but it was FUN! My cousin won tickets. It was super long and super tiring tho, standing the whole time. Biggest act there at that time were BEP, Enrique Iglesias.

Do you guys know if we have Skechers here in Singapore? I could've sworn we had it before cos we all recognise the name. I was at Parkway Parade last weekend and looked for it in World of Sports and Royal Sporting House and nope, not there. Dang! I really wanted to uhm "borrow" the lifesize David cutout! laugh.gif

missymarsie
Ok my lousy internet just ate up my last post.

but anyway just thought I'd share this thread I found over here..

Fans in Hawaii, Asia, Pacific, Australia — Let's join forces!

AAAAHHHH Someone mentioned that DC is gonna make Philippines his first tour stop for his album tour. I'm not sure how credible this source is, or where the reports are coming from. But I'm sure we'll hear more news soon.

Is it wrong that I am so geeked about this? If he can drop by the Philippines, I'm sure he can drop by Singapore, right? RIGHT? laugh.gif hehe.. Why am I so excited about a rumour?
missymarsie
Ok more info in the thread below..

Jan 27 is the 1st date of his solo tour!!, Toronto phone interview!

So it is official. It came from his very own mouth. DC will be starting his solo tour in the philippines on the 27th jan. I just checked, I think that's during the CNY holidays. Why am I so tempted to fly up to the Philippines now? biggrin.gif:D:D
scf
QUOTE (blue_sky78 @ Jul 25 2008, 11:39 AM) *
Do you guys know if we have Skechers here in Singapore? I could've sworn we had it before cos we all recognise the name. I was at Parkway Parade last weekend and looked for it in World of Sports and Royal Sporting House and nope, not there. Dang! I really wanted to uhm "borrow" the lifesize David cutout! laugh.gif

I remember seeing Skechers sold in Singapore too! Guess it's not as popular anymore sad.gif

QUOTE (missymarsie @ Jul 25 2008, 04:44 PM) *
Ok more info in the thread below..

Jan 27 is the 1st date of his solo tour!!, Toronto phone interview!

So it is official. It came from his very own mouth. DC will be starting his solo tour in the philippines on the 27th jan. I just checked, I think that's during the CNY holidays. Why am I so tempted to fly up to the Philippines now? biggrin.gif:D:D

I heard him say maybe it's a one-off gig, and that's what I believe for now. I think I may still be having exams during that time but heck lets take a budget flight there together if this is true! laugh.gif laugh.gif He has to come to Singapore too!
Cookey's Fan
QUOTE (missymarsie @ Jul 25 2008, 09:05 AM) *
Garh I wanna PM you about this.. buuuut.. sigh I kinda feel cheated. A friend's friend offered to give me 2 tix for the MTV Asia Awards, and when I said I was interested, she asked for money. Still waiting for her to get back to me on what's her final deal. angry.gif

Do let me know how it goes, yeah? smile.gif

If it's a no deal, this ticket will be waiting for you. No conditions or obligations whatsoever - it's for you to have.


QUOTE (blue_sky78 @ Jul 25 2008, 11:39 AM) *
Seth! Thanks for making the offer for the MTV Asia Awards. I was interested in going but there's no one there that I'm really dying to see. Sidenote: I went to the first MTV Asia Awards in Singapore, I can't remember which year that was now, but it was FUN! My cousin won tickets. It was super long and super tiring tho, standing the whole time. Biggest act there at that time were BEP, Enrique Iglesias.

Seriously? sad.gif There really isn't anybody there for you to look forward to?

As for the date when the first MTV Asia Awards was held, it was 2nd February 2002, aka 02/02/02. The hosts for the first MAAs were Ronan Keating and Mandy Moore (yes, the same Mandy whom David Cook had a thing for).



QUOTE (scf @ Jul 25 2008, 09:57 PM) *
I heard him say maybe it's a one-off gig, and that's what I believe for now. I think I may still be having exams during that time but heck lets take a budget flight there together if this is true! laugh.gif laugh.gif He has to come to Singapore too!

Me too - I just heard the interview.

But that might change if there're lots of demands for him to perform in other cities. We've gonna start clamouring for David to come down to Singapore as well! blink.gif

In the meantime, time for me to start planning my trip to Manila! tongue.gif tongue.gif
sha♥cookies
no, i'm not. i wanted to, cause there were rumours earlier this year
that paramore was gonna play at SingFest. but they're not, & i'm not
really very interested in the other acts. . .

ooh. a solo tour from the philippines on 27th jan. just twenty days
after my sixteen birthday. hehe. i hope he doesnt come when i'm having
my O levels though. that would just suck. rawr.
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