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cookie05
Anybody knows that Cook Will Have any record deal execpt from Idol? Just Wanna Know
Pam08
QUOTE (cookie05 @ May 23 2008, 09:52 AM) *
Anybody knows that Cook Will Have any record deal execpt from Idol? Just Wanna Know


He is tied to 19E (they have first dibs especially since he won) and will have a Sony/BMG contract. He doesn't have the option to sign with any other labels outside of the 19 franchise. My guess is that it will be with Arista. That is the label most of the winners are signed to with the exception of Jordin last year who went with Jive. Last year, Blake was signed to Arista.

Standard procedure is that any one in the top 10 not singed to a Sony/BMG label 3 months after the finale are free to pursue other offers that come their way.

The rumor is that Archie will be going with Jive.
Witch
What does all that mean ( I am totally ignorant)? I heard David, say last night on Larry king, that they were "working out the kinks"in the contract. Does that mean Simon Cowell gets Cook. What is the difference between Arita and Jive?
Sorry for all the questions. I have just put so much into this already.
MrsCookie
QUOTE (Witch @ May 24 2008, 01:43 PM) *
What does all that mean ( I am totally ignorant)? I heard David, say last night on Larry king, that they were "working out the kinks"in the contract. Does that mean Simon Cowell gets Cook. What is the difference between Arita and Jive?
Sorry for all the questions. I have just put so much into this already.



If my facts are correct, Jive and Artista are companies within 19E. Long story short, he has a record deal, they're just working out the details.
Pam08
QUOTE (MrsCookie @ May 24 2008, 05:27 PM) *
If my facts are correct, Jive and Artista are companies within 19E. Long story short, he has a record deal, they're just working out the details.


Yes, they are all a part of 19 Entertainment. That is basically what he meant. Yes Jive and Arista are separate companies altogether.

Arista, JRecords, and RCA make up the RCA Label Group. Jive is within the Zomba label group but they are all connected with 19. smile.gif As I said yesterday, the fact that Cookie's official page was already up and running on Thursday was a good indication that things were already underway. It's just a matter of working out all the details. The signings for Cookie & Archie will be made public with official press releases from both of their labels. Last year, we had almost a 3-month wait to find out that Jordin was singed, however, Joridn was under 18 at the time and her parents had to co-sign for her based on that. Since Cookie is over 18, that won't be an issue.
delilahlovesdavid.
I just hope that whoever he signs with gives him some artistic ability. I would hate to see his talents NOT used...although it doesn't seem like it would be a problem....they already know that he has that talent, so why not let him use it.
cookielust
it's simon fuller, not cowell though right?
Pam08
QUOTE (cookielust @ May 24 2008, 07:08 PM) *
it's simon fuller, not cowell though right?


Yes, Fuller is in on the management end of 19. smile.gif

thalia
19E and Sony/BMG are different entities. 19E is mostly Simon Fuller (but also Nigel Lythgoe and Ken Warwick) whereas RCA and Arista and all the other labels we've been discussing are part of Song/BMG, a multinational corporation that used to be completely owned by a German company called Bertelsmann. (BMG = Bertelsmann Music Group. Bertelsman also owns publishing companies and other media worldwide. They're huuuuuge.)

Here's wiki on 19E: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/19E

And on Sony/BMG: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_Music_Entertainment

On the Sony/BMG wiki page, you will see that J records is listed under RCA Music Group and Jive is under Zomba Music Group.

In the past, 19E has been the management group, and they had a deal with Clive Davis, who was the CEO of RCA Music Group (which included RCA, Arista and J Records), and he would put the Idols he chose to sign somewhere in the Sony/BMG family. So 19E was artist management while Sony/BMG made records. I think I've heard that Jordin is a Jive artist, and also people like Chris Brown and Justin Timberlake. Kelly, Daughtry and Clay all signed with RCA, Carrie Underwood with Arista Nashville, Fantasia and Ruben both went with J Records, and Taylor with Arista.

I think last year, Blake was sort of co-signed by Arista and 19E in this new "19E Recordings" venture which didn't go very well. Not sure if they're going to keep trying to do that or not.

RCA, Arista, Jive, J, etc. are all recording labels under the Sony/BMG umbrella. They are like brand names to create separate identities for music labels so artists can fit with the other people in that same spot, so consumers know where to find the people they like. Supposedly. I'm not sure anybody buys by label anymore! But the idea is that urban hip hop like people can find a home at Jive, for example, and then the marketing folks who specialize in that area will be handling the artists in the area of their expertise. It's all about branding. Like the difference between Wheaties and Cheerios and Lucky Charms. They're all under the General Mills umbrella, but they have different brands to appeal to different consumers.

I think the early rumors are that Cookie is signing with RCA/J and Archie with Jive. mj's blog said:

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That was fast. Rumors are already floating around about label signings for both David Cook and David Archuleta.

According to Hits Daily Double, the J/RCA music group is already involved with promoting David Cook’s coronation single, “Time of My Life” to radio. David Archuleta will reportedly join the Jive Label. Archie won’t have a single released to radio until close to the realease date of his album.
Pam08
QUOTE (thalia @ May 24 2008, 07:47 PM) *
19E and Sony/BMG are different entities. 19E is Simon Fuller, Nigel Lythgoe, Ken Warwickand Simon Cowell, whereas RCA and Arista and all the other labels we've been discussing are part of Song/BMG, a multinational corporation that used to be completely owned by a German company called Bertelsmann. (BMG = Bertelsmann Music Group. Bertelsman also owns publishing companies and other media worldwide. They're huuuuuge.)

Here's wiki on 19E: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/19E

And on Sony/BMG: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_Music_Entertainment

On the Sony/BMG wiki page, you will see that J records is listed under RCA Music Group and Jive is under Zomba Music Group.

In the past, 19E has been the management group, and they had a deal with Clive Davis, who was the CEO of RCA Music Group (which included RCA, Arista and J Records), and he would put the Idols he chose to sign somewhere in the Sony/BMG family. So 19E was artist management while Sony/BMG made records. I think I've heard that Jordin is a Jive artist, and also people like Chris Brown and Justin Timberlake. Kelly, Daughtry and Clay all signed with RCA, Carrie Underwood with Arista Nashville, Fantasia and Ruben both went with J Records, and Taylor with Arista. Daughtry is an RCA artist.

I think last year, Blake was sort of co-signed by Arista and 19E in this new "19E Recordings" venture which didn't go very well. Not sure if they're going to keep trying to do that or not.

RCA, Arista, Jive, J, etc. are all recording labels under the Sony/BMG umbrella. They are like brand names to create separate identities for music labels so artists can fit with the other people in that same spot, so consumers know where to find the people they like. Supposedly. I'm not sure anybody buys by label anymore! But the idea is that urban hip hop like people can find a home at Jive, for example, and then the marketing folks who specialize in that area will be handling the artists in the area of their expertise. It's all about branding. Like the difference between Wheaties and Cheerios and Lucky Charms. They're all under the General Mills umbrella, but they have different brands to appeal to different consumers.

I think the early rumors are that Cookie is signing with RCA/J and Archie with Jive. mj's blog said:


You stated that much better than I ever could have. LOL Yeah, MJ was talking about seeing the RCA label at the AllAccess.com website Thursday night and sure enough I went there to check it out for myself and that is what I saw too, but as she said if you go to Mediabase and look up the single, it doesn't list a label, just the artist and the song and the song's positions. Just as you stated about artists being suited up with labels that fit their style, RCA would make sense from that standpoint for Cook if nothing else.
thalia
Yeah, but I kind of screwed up a couple of things I fixed after you already copied to comment, so... Read the new version! LOL

I'm still not sure what Simon Cowell does for 19E, if he's just a hired hand who gets producer credit (and money) on AI, or if he's more than that. Simon Fuller is the big honcho, and Nigel and Ken are, I think, producers but not, like OWNERS, like Simon Fuller.

Plus, of course, we have no idea where Clive fits into anything anymore since he got demoted. He's now in creative for Sony worldwide or something? Who knows where that's gonna go.
VickieED
Simon C. does have an option on each of the Idols contracts, which he can sell if he wishes.

Also, being locked in to 19Management is no longer a certainty. Clay Aiken was the first one to hire an entertainment lawyer and get out of his 19M contract. Since then, other Idols have followed suit.

No idea how they look now, but the early Idol contracts were among the most restrictive and extreme in the business. Among other things, they basically allowed AI and 19E to use the contestants' images and names any way they chose, including ways that were unfavorable to the contestant, anywhere, anytime, in perpetuity. And, their share of royalties on merchandise and such was also huge.

Clay was also, I believe, the first to trademark his own name and image(at the same time that 19 was trying to - but their application was denied,) and thus protect himself to a large degree.

They also demanded huge penalties for breaking certain aspects of the contracts.

I'm sincerely hoping that the details of the contract have improved in the contestants' favor, and that David will not have to worry about any of the things that the early contestants did.

Like that horrid From Justin to Kelly. Kelly has made it clear since then that they did NOT want to make that movie. But, they had no choice. They were contractually obligated.
mljbray
Thanks for all the explanations!! I'm sure David will work out all the "kinks" to his satisfaction.

I can't wait to read the press release!! Hope it's soon.
VickieED
Chris D. was lucky in that he was neither a winner, nor first runner-up. He got to make an album that suited him.

Generally, the winners crank out an album lickety-split, choosing songs from a pre-determined list, recording it on the fly.

At the board where I spend most of my time, someone posted a mention in the David C. thread that David A.'s album was coming out this summer. We were all a little taken aback. Has anyone here heard this?

Not having cared about anyone else enough to pay attention in the last few years, I only know of one season where the runner-up's album came out first. Does anyone else know if it has happened? And, how has it worked out?

I'm hoping that with someone other than Clive in charge, Cook will be able to make an album that suits him, and that isn't too rushed.

ETA:Ok, I Know I read the thing about Archie's album coming out this summer somewhere, but I can't find it now!

ETA: Found it!

http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/rumormill.cgi

IDOL AFTERMATH: Richard Palmese's J/RCA Music Group promo team are already on the case working the debut single from last night's Idol winner David Cook, "Time of My Life," which is being delivered to radio as we speak. Meanwhile, runner-up David Archuleta will join the Jive label for his album debut, coming sometimes this summer. Going against tradition, a single from the second place finisher will not be released until close to the full-length release date.
kgeer
Will there be a copy of the Press release posted on this site? unsure.gif
Miss Nickie
I wouldn't be surprised if Archie released first. In Season 5, Kellie and Daughtry both released their albums before Taylor did wink.gif

Oh and Kellie is also in the Sony BMG company, under BNA Nashville (same label as superstar Kenny Chesney) wink.gif
Pam08
QUOTE (VickieED @ May 25 2008, 10:24 AM) *
Chris D. was lucky in that he was neither a winner, nor first runner-up. He got to make an album that suited him.

Generally, the winners crank out an album lickety-split, choosing songs from a pre-determined list, recording it on the fly.

At the board where I spend most of my time, someone posted a mention in the David C. thread that David A.'s album was coming out this summer. We were all a little taken aback. Has anyone here heard this?

Not having cared about anyone else enough to pay attention in the last few years, I only know of one season where the runner-up's album came out first. Does anyone else know if it has happened? And, how has it worked out?

I'm hoping that with someone other than Clive in charge, Cook will be able to make an album that suits him, and that isn't too rushed.

ETA:Ok, I Know I read the thing about Archie's album coming out this summer somewhere, but I can't find it now!

ETA: Found it!

http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/rumormill.cgi

IDOL AFTERMATH: Richard Palmese's J/RCA Music Group promo team are already on the case working the debut single from last night's Idol winner David Cook, "Time of My Life," which is being delivered to radio as we speak. Meanwhile, runner-up David Archuleta will join the Jive label for his album debut, coming sometimes this summer. Going against tradition, a single from the second place finisher will not be released until close to the full-length release date.


No, Archie's album is not coming out this summer. There was a lot of confusion about that. The article about that originated from HDD (Hits Daily Double) and it was poorly worded. We think they were talking about his first single possibly. There has been no official press release out saying that he has been signed to Jive but I'm sure we will see something in the not too distaant futre. To be honest, when Larry King asked about his deal, he really shouldn't have said anything.

If you read this part of that statement:

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a single from the second place finisher will not be released until close to the full-length release date.


Kirsten at who posts at mj's blog who keeps all the stats and numbers said that statement was very poorly worded. She said it sounds more likely that the first single for Archie will be out in the summer, not the album. If they were to put out Archie's album before Cook's, it would prove that Idol was rigged.

QUOTE
Will there be a copy of the Press release posted on this site?


I'm keeping an eye on it. I have the prnewswire feed in my bookmarks. smile.gif


QUOTE (Miss Nickie @ May 25 2008, 10:50 PM) *
I wouldn't be surprised if Archie released first. In Season 5, Kellie and Daughtry both released their albums before Taylor did wink.gif

Oh and Kellie is also in the Sony BMG company, under BNA Nashville (same label as superstar Kenny Chesney) wink.gif


I think it will depend on who is ready first, however, season 5 was unusual because so many from the top 10 got Sony/BMG contracts. Last year went back to tradition with Jordin releasing her CD first. Only the top 2 were signed last year. smile.gif I think the label will probably push Cookie to get his out ASAP. I can't see Archie releasing his CD before Cook's unless things happened that pushed his release date back. Some people think that info came from Archie's dad and his wishful thinking because after all it was posted in the rumor mill section there but as far as the label destinations for each, I don't doubt that.
cookie7
QUOTE (Miss Nickie @ May 25 2008, 10:50 PM) *
I wouldn't be surprised if Archie released first. In Season 5, Kellie and Daughtry both released their albums before Taylor did wink.gif

I believe - Taylor's CD came out so late was because he was thick headed - and wouldn't bend. He banged heads too much - And it took longer

Daughtry was fourth place and he already had a song written when he was voted off - So he kinda had a jump on things.

but I sure do hope they let David's creativity flow And don't hinder him!

I think his knack is melodies, You could tell how he changed up the songs he sang making it his own each time... smile.gif

well beside- Cornell's version of BJ and I think another song.
Starrlight
QUOTE (cookie7 @ May 25 2008, 08:21 PM) *
I believe - Taylor's CD came out so late was because he was thick headed - and wouldn't bend. He banged heads too much - And it took longer

Daughtry was fourth place and he already had a song written when he was voted off - So he kinda had a jump on things.

but I sure do hope they let David's creativity flow And don't hinder him!

I think his knack is melodies, You could tell how he changed up the songs he sang making it his own each time... smile.gif

well beside- Cornell's version of BJ and I think another song.



19 really handles more of the management of the talent, and Sony BMG is the actual recording entity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/19_Entertainment

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_bmg#List...Sony_BMG_labels
cookie jar
First, I want to say thanks to those of you posting in this thread; it has been very informative.

My two cents:

I wouldn't be surprised or displeased if Archie had a record ready to come out before Cookie. Especially if Archie goes the Clay route and records mostly standards or covers. I imagine Jeff might cause his share of head butting, but I'm sure he's going to want that album out ASAP, whereas Cookie will not put out anything that he can't stamp with his own 100% approval. Perhaps Taylor was perceived as hard headed or stubborn but I gotta commend him for standing up for what he believed in. Cookie wants his album to mean something to him, something he is proud of, regardless of how well it is received or marketable it is. This could cause some clashing with record exec's trying to cash in on their new golden boy.
VickieED
QUOTE (cookie jar @ May 25 2008, 11:55 PM) *
First, I want to say thanks to those of you posting in this thread; it has been very informative.

My two cents:

I wouldn't be surprised or displeased if Archie had a record ready to come out before Cookie. Especially if Archie goes the Clay route and records mostly standards or covers. I imagine Jeff might cause his share of head butting, but I'm sure he's going to want that album out ASAP, whereas Cookie will not put out anything that he can't stamp with his own 100% approval. Perhaps Taylor was perceived as hard headed or stubborn but I gotta commend him for standing up for what he believed in. Cookie wants his album to mean something to him, something he is proud of, regardless of how well it is received or marketable it is. This could cause some clashing with record exec's trying to cash in on their new golden boy.



Well, Clay only did that once, and it was his 3rd album(his second pop album,) and it wasn't what he really wanted to do. But, Clive told him either do love song covers, or wait another three years. So, he chose what he felt was the lesser of two evils.

His new album is nothing of the sort.

The only Idol contestant I know who put out an album of covers on his first release was John Stevens.(At least, I think they were covers. It might have been just the Sinatra/oldies style, but new material.)

I think Archie will definitely do new material. I think he'll go the Josh Groban route. But, that's just my opinion.

And, Pam, thanks for the clarification.
dc78
Does anyone know why all DC songs aren't on ITunes anymore?
Starrlight
QUOTE (dc78 @ May 29 2008, 05:08 AM) *
Does anyone know why all DC songs aren't on ITunes anymore?



I still see them on iTunes. Stupid Coldplay is in first place this morning David is there.
Pam08
QUOTE (Starrlight @ May 29 2008, 09:12 AM) *
I still see them on iTunes. Stupid Coldplay is in first place this morning David is there.


I said this in the i-tunes thread but I'm not surprised that happened. I think a lot of us saw it coming once they entered into the #2 position there. Their single has advertised over and over on TV. rolleyes.gif
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