And by the scary boards, I mean TWOP. Seriously, I quit. You guys think this place is catty and negative? But I digress. And do not enter The Knoll under any circumstances.

At any rate, a poster there claims that TOML is not going to be on the album. Songs from AH and the mystery second album are being considered, but NOT Axium.

TWOP is notoriously unreliable, but this info sounds at least plausible.

hahaha...."bucket of salt" made me think of margaritas!

the axium stuff not being considered is plausible, but i doubt TOML won't be there...although, i wouldn't miss TOML if it wasn't on the album since it's already available for download. David said he has over 50 songs being considered for the new album. AH + OTAF would make 20 tracks...the other 30 could be from the collaborations, stuff he wrote while on AI, or even some unreleased Axium songs that he'd written (see discography: Axium Discography with credits ). Maybe TOML won't fit the mood of the album...but i sincerely doubt that it'll get cut since the album was advertised for preorder on Amazon as "featuring Time of My Life."

Here's a partial list of David's unreleased tracks, not including OTAF:
Unreleased Tracks (2001-2006)

1.) Down & Out (Cook/McLaughlin) - (2001)
2.) Miles (Cook) - (2001)
3.) Begin the End (Cook/Kerr/Shrout) - (2003)
4.) Rate (Something I'm Not) (Cook/Kerr/Shrout) - (2003)
5.) Confession (Cook) - (2004)
6.) Wavelength (Cook) - (2006)
7.) Hearing Aid (Cook/Shrout) - (2006)
8.) Walker - (Cook) - (2006)
9.) By the Fire (Gently Burning) (Cook) - (2006)
10.) Sleep Another Year (Shrout) - (2006)

HA HA! That's the best idea I've read all night!

I just hope that the new album is indeed NEW (TOML will no doubt be the exception). I want more! I want more David Cook! (I sound like Paula.) MY DC music library needs to be expanded, so I hope he doesn't have a lot of remakes of previous stuff.

Given how early AH was pulled (was it Top 9 week?) chances are that some AH stuff will be on there. The majority of the world hasn't heard it yet and there are some real gems on there. Cookie has said he doesn't think TOML has to be on the album and I don't think he's that crazy about the song, even if he would never say so.

Well, if he puts some AH stuff on the new album, hopefully it'll be new arrangements. I would rather see AH re-released. I hadn't heard that TOML doesn't have to be on the new album. I hope it's not, actually. I don't think it will fit in with what I hope David will be putting out.

Very much how I feel, I think, if David is allowed to go in the direction he wants *fingers crossed* TOML will stand out like a sore thumb, both muscially and lyrically.

I'm hoping Better Late the Never (OTAF) does make it on there though, I'd love a proper version of that one

i agree... i want new stuff.. two or three remakes should be fine but i want to hear new stuff...

anyway.. what is TWOP??

TWOP = Television Without Pity

That reminds me... did anyone else notice that big screen behind David when he sang on The View? At one point, it was all the colors of the rainbow. Made me crack up!

I did notice the screen behind DC, but didn't notice all the rainbow colors! LOL! TOO funny!


Gosh, I am torn....like some of you, I want all new DC material for the new record, but on the other hand...I want the world to hear some of the genius he demonstrated on AH. I can hardly wait!

When did he say this? If he does think about it that way then I guess my hopes of TOML not making it to his upcoming album is not an impossibility. I have nothing against the song. In fact, I have grown to like it. It's just that if it were included in David's new album, it'll be out of place in my opinion. Then again, we just all have to wait and see.

Why would DC be recording and writing all of these new songs if he was supposedly going to be using his previous songs?

Almost every American Idol winner has included their coronation song on their debut album, generally as a bonus track (meaning: the real album plays, there is a pause, then comes the coronation song). With it being at the end of the album, it could easily not be listened to and therefore not disrupt the album. But, since the song is still doing well with both sales (he sold more in his fifth week out with TOML than Jordin did with her first week with Tattoo) and airplay, including it might not be an awful idea since it would appear that people (who perhaps aren't AI fans) actually like the song, and by extension, DC.
The only winner who refused to include their coronation song on their album was Taylor (just one of the many strikes against him in the eyes of PTB). Even then, it was still available for download with a special code or something. For that reason alone, I hope Cookie picks his battles wisely and just grins and bears having it as a final (bonus) track. I think sometimes people take things a little too seriously. I don't think he's going to fight over this as it is already listed on Amazon as being featured on the album.
As far as older music being put on the album, I am just fine with that. I love everything I have heard from DC and I have no doubt that they would not sound identical to their original recordings as he now has far more resources at his fingertips. That being said, I just want the first single off his album to be released this summer. Late August or early September would be ideal to give more of his music to the hungry fans once the tour is over and allow for proper radio reception and promo before the album hits stores in the fall (hoping he gets the Tuesday before Thanksgiving as his release date).

In all honesty, if David has his way, TOML probably won't be on the album. Although he has embraced it and done the best arrangement he possibly could, he stated it isn't his style and is surprised how well it has done. he wants his music on the album. Personally, I hope it won't be on the new album; I would rather hear new songs that David wrote/cowrote and that suit his personality and style better. Pretty much everything David has previously written and recorded is better than TOML.

I honestly cannot see any AH heart tracks on his new album. David has consistently said that he wants his music to be a progression, an evolution. Wouldn't using AH tracks, even the best, like, The Truth, be going backward?

Please don't get me wrong, I've listened to AH since the beginning of April and it's fantastic, I love it, but I'd like to hear new DC, I can't wait for November!

I still contend any AH stuff that he might remix and rerecord will either appear as hidden tracks on the CD or as bonus songs on EPs - they won't be main songs on his CD.

I don't know what they're smoking over there - TOML will be on the record, unless I'm mistaken all crown songs end up on the first album of Idol winners, mostly because it's the most recognizable. Considering TOML is cruising towards going Platinum, it will have earned a place to be there. There's no saying that Cook might not mix it up some though

I have heard DC in a couple of interviews say that he wasn't sure if TOML would be on the album, and honestly I am like others who have posted and wouldn't miss it if it weren't there. I love it because David makes it his own but it is not like anything else that he has recorded, so I think that it would disrupt the flow of the album and probably is not part of the statement that he wants to make. Whatever the decision is, I'm sure that David will embrace it and we will love it.

I agree, I think David will only agree to include TOML if it fits the theme of the album. I hadn't heard that any AH stuff was going on, just possibly some of the material for the unreleased album he was working on. Personally I don't think he will include AH, it will be going backwards as others have said. Better to leave AH and re-master it several years from now when he's a megastar and everyone is clamoring for his early work....

Sounds a bit like the process Springsteen goes through -- write 50 or so songs, record a bunch of them, then painstakingly choose the 10-14 songs that fit the statement the album will be making the best. Sometimes that means a really good song just doesn't make it this time. The rest are either kept in reserve for the next album, or played in concerts and then eventually released as "Tracks" (those studio outtakes are prized amongst collectors!)

I look for TOML to end up on the album. Aside from Taylor Hicks (bad idea on his part), they all use it because it's a good transition from the show, and the songs that a large viewing/voting group of people loved. Not all Idol watchers are rock fans (I know, can you believe it?! Psh!) but they love the voice of the person singing those nostalgic songs, and vote, vote, vote. No, not all of them, but a lot. When the first Idol Kelly clarkson, finally did a CD of her own liking, people freaked out! lol Couldn't figure out where that 'cute little girl with the big voice' went to.

I thought I remember DC saying he had done a great deal of writing and collaborating in preporation for this CD? Yes (x) No (x) ?? I'm hoping, this CD with me everything he wants it to be. Make the hair on the back of my neck stand out, and seal his fate in history as the mega-man genius rock star we all love!

I can NOT wait!

I've speculated about this on 5 other threads in this forum! I don't think they're married to it being on the album. I mean, there's no legal reason for it to be on there. They intended to put it on, but TPTB can change their minds if they want. One press release fix it. TPTB might have wanted it initially, but if it doesn't fit the vibe, they may think it's self defeating. Why hurt the alubm? TOML has already charted better than they could have dreamed... 600,000+ downloads and #8 on Billboard Hot AC. If it were my decision, I'd say put it to rest. Let it be a successful stand alone single from this summer, and keep it off David's new rock album. I like TOML, but not THAT much! I want all new music!

Scott I couldn't agree more!
I want all NEW music too. Didn't David say somewhere that there were like 50 songs they were considering for the record?

I think that DC should put TOML on the album as a bonus track, just for that transition. I don't think songs from AH will be in the album since an approved download is already available for AH (even though I would love The Truth to be on the album)..

that's right...sorry that i can't remember exactly where it was said (there was a blogger who spoke with him at the taste for the cure event and it was also mentioned in another interview), but they were selecting from a catalog of over 50 songs. what isn't specified is what percentage of this number are the songs he already had written, the ones he's writing with the collaborators, or ones that the label is providing for consideration. as for the collaborations, we have 4 names...doesn't necesarily mean 4 songs (may or may not) since they sometimes double up on a song.

Maybe they should release TOML as a single.

The official version and an acoustic version and maybe as a bonus one or two of his covers songs.

Like a tribute for his idol fans.

And as a cut for him from idol.

Well, one of the things I'm focusing on these days isn't just what would be nice, but what they will likely do in reality. I stated earlier that they're probably not legally obligated to put TOML on the album, but they may have signed a deal with the songwriter. I doubt that 19E/RCA would have given up its right to omit or include whatever they want though. I like the idea of TOML as a bonus track for downloads, but it already has been released as a single Anijsch... and one that's moving UP on the Billboard AC charts tomorrow (see the other thread in charts). TOML is now a very big hit and could go platinum before the album is out this fall. It could easily be a stand alone single, or go on as a bonus download. For the hard copy CD, which will have a certain vibe, I would like it if TOML was NOT included. I want 12 new songs. Can't get enough David.

I wish RCA would release Analog Heart.
I could buy it and all my favourite Cookie songs would be on the charts <3

TOML...Hmm.
I was commenting to my mom that I like TOML, but it didn't seem to suit David...
"Magic Rainbow On the horizion"
Yeah.
I wouldnt miss it.

David did say "There maybe be some stuff on there that people have heard before" in an interview somewhere didn't he? So maybe AH songs will be on there, though I doubt very many. Personally I'm hoping for no AH songs, though I do LOVE the album. I want it to be mostly new stuff, though I would love for some songs from his unreleased album to be on there. I really want to hear that stuff. But I hope TOML isn't on the new album. Like you all said, it probably will stick out agaisnt the other songs. If it is, I like the idea of it being a bonus track. But this is all my opinion, and not everyone can be happy.

I love your magic rainbow siggie!

there will be stuff on there that we've heard before...the key is that the vast majority of people haven't heard any of his songs...so i'm cool with the AH stuff being on the new album so that a new audience gets to hear it...specially if he re-records them with the new resources available to him now...maybe we'll get to hear how he always dreamed of having those songs sound now that money is not an option!

Thanks! lol I didn't even think of the whole magic rainbow thing, just all of the AI performances seemed to be so color coordinated, yaknow? So I thought, hey, that'd be pretty! lol

And you do have a point there, but David made it our job to spread AH around so as many people hear it as possible, correct? And I suppose that if he redoes (redos, redoes...? whatever lol) some of the AH songs that would be cool, but he has a lot more to chose from. I'd prefer to hear some of the songs from the second album rather than more of the AH songs.

Honestly, I hope it's NOT on the new album, but as most of us have seen, if you go to look at the Amazon pre-order page, in the description it does say "featuring TOML". I do love the song, but I agree that it doesn't fit the concept that David is trying to achieve with this record.

I am just interjecting here to say that I don't think the information I posted almost a month ago is true.

First of all, if Cook went to Lindz and told her we were free to illegally DL AH, I'd say that those songs are not going to be on the new album. Probably.

We have also heard of multiple collaborations with experienced songwriters, and that stuff is more likely to make it on the album.

I don't know who all here keeps up with Cookie's radio play but he is doing really, really well. As of yesterday he was #4 on AC, #9 on Hot AC, and #33 on Top 40. These are huge numbers. They are Kelly-esque numbers. I can't get into the site that I got the stats from yesterday but looking at the first two charts he has more momentum than practically anybody else surrounding him except for Coldplay and 3 Doors Down on the second chart. I think he could go #1 on AC and the top 5 on Hot AC and possibly #1 there. I'm told he probably won't get any higher on Top 40 but I've been told several times this song won't do any better than it has and it keeps hanging on. The sales keep dropping and RCA is putting Mediabase ads out there so there is definitely record company muscle involved somewhere. They've definitely invested a lot into making it a hit and it is at this point. The better it does, the more likely it will be on the album.

Sorry to go on so long, but I have a tendency to obsess over Cookie's chart numbers when they're doing well. It's a nice vacation from the nastier stuff going on right now in Idolland.

is there any place that said the album has to have 12 songs?
albums come out alot, with more than that and if they have 50 choices

Agreed. I don't think it would be a great fit with the rest of the CD.




I believe it has to do with being cost effective. 12 is usually the max with, maybe, a bonus song of some sort.

Jeannine

I think they can remove TOML from the CD and change the Amazon site, but I'm not sure they will want to go through the bother of remarketing it. They could make TOML available as a download bonus track only... on itunes, amazon.com mp3, and walmart.com mp3. The fact that they haven't pressed and released a CD single of TOML might be telling, but I'm not sure what it tells us... that they won't put it on the album, or that they're waiting and will put it on! And the success of TOML is going to come into play, but I just can't predict how!
BTW, in an earlier thread or post, we speculated on the space of time between single releases... if you take Coldplay's "Viva La Vida or Death and All His Friends" album as an example, you will find a 10 week space between the three singles. "Lost!" was released this week (heard it on 98.7 in LA last night), "Viva La Vida" was released in mid-may, just before TOML, and "Violet Hill" was released in early March. So the label gave the first hit single 10 weeks before releasing the 2nd... then the 2nd became a #1 hit (took a back seat to TOML for one week lol!) and 10 weeks later the 3rd was released. I think if RCA has a similar strategy (you also have rules for the charts), we'll see a new DC single in October, ramping up to the CD release in mid November, and then the next single sometime around the New Year or in January.

It's been quite sometime since a hard copy of a winning single has been released. During season 5, the winning single wasn't on Taylor's CD. It was available for download separately as a bonus track. I don't think there was a hard copy of Jordin's This Is My Now last year either but it did end up on her CD. You are right about removing TOML from Amazon. If the label decides to do that, they can but like you I don't think they want to go through all that trouble and the cost of trying to remarket it.

I'm no music industry expert, but I think the reason there isn't a hard copy of TOML is because it doesn't make sense in today's market. Very few record stores carry hard copies of singles. It just isn't worth it to press and market all of those hard copies, and the fact that Jordin did so badly last year sure scared them off of it in the first place.

It probably has no bearing on whether it will make it on the album, but the higher it climbs the charts, the more likely it will be that it stays on there. (Right now it's going up on ITunes). Cookie doesn't have to finish his set with it, and I hear that's new, but who knows what that means.

That said, after hearing the latest report from someone who claimed to be a member of the press on the scary boards yesterday, I'm doubting anything I ever heard from an "insider" on those forums. So much of it turns up blatantly wrong.

Previously David had said he had submitted close to 50 songs, which probably sounds like everything he has ever written, in the event there's a new arrangement waiting in David's creative wings.

Recently, in the radio interview, David said they had already tracked 7-8 songs and were hoping to get to 20, then pare it down to 12-13 or so.

No disrespect to the songrwiter or fans of the song, but TOML is not David's caliber. Even when he was a 12 yr old poetry winning contestant, David would not have written "magic rainbow" lyrics, ha ha. But I completely respect him for owning the song and doing the best he can with it and (wow!) it's doing much better than I think most people expected. I, myself, have never once heard it on the radio. The radio station formats I listen to, I couldn't tell you which genre they focus on, lol, but maybe I'm not hitting the AC ones enough.

Also, David has turned AI on its head and since he's not even required to sing it last in his set and even did a few promos after the win with different songs (TWIK on Ellen, My Hero on Leno), it stands to argue further that they are really respecting his input. From the label's point of view, it also does not serve them well to push TOML as David's niche because that is not who he really is.

It would suit me if TOML wasn't available at all on the new cd, and I think even as a bonus (visible or hidden) track on his new album, it would be a musical disconnect. With Rob Cavallo on board, it seems even more doubtful that TOML will fit with the aesthetics of the new album.

Going back to AH or the unreleased second album solo songs - it's possible some may be re-tooled. But to be honest, I don't want re-worked older songs. Call me selfish, but I want only new David

p.s. who gets confused these days when talking about new music, lol, I see it written album and cd and wut???? Album is the version my parents bought, and I haven't bought a hard copy cd in years, I only download from iTunes, so what exactly is a new body of work supposed to be named now ha ha ha ha????

Off the Chain I said pretty much the same thing in a couple of other threads. I think the success of TOML on the charts and itunes will help keep it OFF the new CD, not put it on. It no longer needs any kind of a boost. It will be 6 months old and will have been a top 10 hit, already on the decline. I think Cavallo will help keep it off.

Hey guys,

I'm new to all of this forum stuff, and sometimes it scares me. Everyone on this site seems to express themselves with dignity and respect, though. My opinion on AH is that it will be released in its entirity after David's success with his new album. If it's that much in demand, maybe 19 Records will reissue it. It really needs to be heard as David intended because it is pure genius. As for TOML, it was extremely appropriate for the moment it was introduced and I couldn't stop thinking about the vocal and lyric even after the first time I heard it. I think David's genius will be more than evident on this new album and TOML will be ingeniusly included in some way. I think we have nothing to worry about since genius is at work here!! Have a great day!

I couldn't agree with you more!

welcome aboard, joebon.

I'll second that Susan!

When I met him, he said he was trying to get Straight Ahead on the album.

I'd love that - my favourite AH song. And wouldn't be upset by TOML not being on the album - most people who want it probably already have a copy of the song and it will likely stick out a mile from the rest of the stuff on there.

I absolutely adore AH and every Axium song I've heard this far, but like many of you I would love to hear new stuff in this upcoming album. And about TOML, I don't really love the song (always thought it sounds kind of corny...I mean..."magic rainbows"?). That being said, I think it should be included on the album as a bonus track, just to be respectful (after a long pause that separates it from the rest of the songs).

Quite frankly, I've heard TOML way too many times. I'd prefer to hear David's REAL work instead of a manufactored single. It will give him chance to show off his personality and define himself as an artist.

I don't think TOML needs to be (or should be) included on the album. With Clive Davis no longer in charge at Sony/BMG, I don't see any problem with it being excluded. What is important is getting music out into the marketplace that represents DC's style and what the album will be like. There doesn't seem to be much focus on that, IMO. I know that there was a lot of concern among fans around this time two years ago when we hadn't heard anything from Daughtry, and that worked out just fine. Then again, TPTB weren't busy pushing someone else's music up the radio and itunes charts. I just hope that DC gets fair promotion of HIS music. If TOML disappeared tomorrow, I would shed no tears. I want to hear music from Cookie and, quite frankly, am getting a tad pissed at the fact that getting music from DC into the marketplace in a timely fashion seems to be the last thing on anyone's mind.

Okay, I'm now convinced you're determined to be negative about this, despite it being pointed out to you many times that TPTB are being hugely supportive of David.

1. David is being allowed to work with people he wants to work with - he's got the Doctor on board for his band and his writing with his heros - not people forced on him - has that ever happened before?

2. Archie's music has absolutely no impact on David's potential demographic, TPTB are pushing him, because he's got the single out now.

3. David doesn't have a single out yet, because he is writing/co writing his stuff, Archie's song/album was already written, of course he got released first.

David's stuff is coming, it's taking longer precisesly because Simon Fuller etc are hugely supportive of him, and are allowing him to, at least some extent, to have his head. They believe in his abilities and are willing to run with them, the single will come, the album will come, and David will be everywhere, it's just a matter of them being ready. If you actually think about it, it's a huge compliment to David that they're not rushing something out, because TPTB believe that David doesn't need the buzz of AI to sell records, they believe, like I do, that he can sell on his own merits.

Have Patience Peeps! It will be Worth It! Besides, absence makes the heart grow fonder--