Just read Kristy Lee Cook was signed by Entertainment and Nashville and will have her first single released Aug 11 ( congrats)
Is that unusual to have a voted off contestant's record released by someone before DC's?
Also MJ always talks as if he has a deal and is ready to release an album, yet no press release yet. I am surprised that DC is't to coronation release. DC does not even have a producer yet. I guess it is better to take their time and do it well
What's up?

Just because we don't know who the producer is does not mean he doesn't have one. That interview where he said he didn't have one yet was a couple weeks ago.

If he's already been in the studio, rest assured that there's a producer.

There is probably much more going on behind the scenes than we are aware of. I would certainly hope that we are not privy to every little thing that goes on concerning his career. I'm glad that they are taking their time getting this CD out. No need to put out a rush job. I want the time to be taken to put out a quality product. Besides, having it released closer to holiday shopping doesn't hurt the sales one bit.

Jeannine

A rush job is never, ever good that being said, I had read tha one of the reasons AI is loosing credibility is because al finalists get a recording deal. So what is the big deal if you win. They all usually release about the same time. It use to be that the winner got a record deal. This really hit during Taylor Hicks reign with Katheryn being marketed along with Hicks.
I think it is better that DC takes his time, besides, Simon Fuller is DC's producer. So the backing up will be there. And if his CD is awesome, like we know it will be, then rest assured he will be fine. Past idols struggle when their product is not up to par.

Absolutely, I agree with all said here!
Simon Fuller will take the time and do all things proper for DC and his career.
It's not uncommon for AI contestants to get record deals quickly, they get the exposure and the record companies want to get a hold of them before they are overlooked for opportunity to start a career.

When I read Simon Fuller was his manager I knew David was going to get all the best, so I'm sure at this point everything has been taken care of (meaning the producer).

All of Kristy's info like producer and single were able to come out in her press release because it came out later and they had time to get it in there, David's press release came out less than 2 weeks after his win. There must me lots of info behind the scenes we have no clue about yet. Even the thing about the singer from Goo Goo Dolls wanting to work with him we heard through a DJ's blog. When RCA is set to release more info I bet we get an additional press release. TOML is still gaining spins every day on radio so I don't think they're going to rush another single just yet.

I seriously would not worry about this. KLC was not exactly the favorite of TPTB while she was on the show but she is
blonde, svelte, and patriotic. Country artists tend to sell less than other kinds of contestants, with the exception of Carrie, so they are likely going for a whole different crowd here. DC got his single out first and DA didn't even get one out at the same time, so it has nothing to do with overshadowing Cookie. By KLC, of all people? Come on.

This may go a bit in explaining why so many ex-Idols are being dropped, though.

I had read that one of the reasons AI is loosing credibility is because al finalists get a recording deal. So what is the big deal if you win. They all usually release about the same time. It use to be that the winner got a record deal. This really hit during Taylor Hicks reign with Katheryn being marketed along with Hicks.

I agree with this completely. if everyone gets a deal (althought I would guess they are not as good as DC's)
it does water down the excitement of his win. KLC did some really, really, bad performances during Idol so her being the 1st to get a contract after the 2 David's and an earlier release date only accentuates this point.

It's not that unusual for someone who left wayyy before the winner to release their cd first, no. I wish her the best with whatever she does with her music!!

I respectfully disagree...having her sell country singles/albums while tied to the AI marketing will actually help David sell records to a new demographic. Someone who doesn't usually follow AI, but buys her music because it's new country may then get a link recommending David's album due to the AI connection...possibly earning him a new fan. it's a win-win scenario for both artists.

I really don't think is about DC at all. I can't imagine anyone interested in KLC wanting to buy DC Rock. There will of course be a few but it will be marginal. The question is more about the value of the competion, if even those who did her caliber of performance gets signed and so quickly. It does put a question mark on the AI audience experience.

So do I. Sometimes on Amazon, some of the Idols albums are paired with other idols to try to help sell the other's CD and a lot of the time, the marketing strategy does work. I don't think this diminishes his win at all and as Annie said, some of Kristy's fans may actually end up checking out DC's album since both were on AI and so it can end up being a win-win situation for both.

I'm honestly not surprised that she has been signed because of that interview clip with her and DC when she was talking about moving to Nashville but I am surprised it was with 19. I think the bottom line is that the show is signing those they think will be the most marketable in their own genres. I think we have probably seen the last of the 19 signings with Kristy unless I am proven wrong later. lol

I played ABMB to someone who doesn't watch AI. she liked it and asked me which country singer that was...LOL...i had to listen again to hear what she heard...so someone who likes country may actually like some of his songs. plus, even a marginal number of new fans is still new fans.
As for the AI audience experience, we may have to agree to disagree as to the premise of the show. I don't see it as a competition for a record contract, but rather as a platform to jumpstart careers (make money for E19) that makes for good TV. Even with this mindset, I voted for David like mad...the whole 4 hours on final night via text messages...after paying to upgrade to an unlimited texting plan. Why would I do that? because there are still perks to being the champ beyond the contract: publicity, endorsements, appearances, postage stamps, and his pictures will be plastered all over AI season 8/Disney world...which makes me happy to be a fan. Plus, the guy moves me.

The only thing about this that concerns me is that it appears that TOML is being considered DC's actual first single.
While it is doing much better than anyone thought it would and certainly far better than most coronation songs, I don't think any fan of Cookie's would call Magic Rainbow a true representation of the artist that he is. I just want some type of reassurance that he will be releasing a second single before the album is released, one that is more him.
And, I do agree with some of the other posters who have stated that other finalists getting contracts does take some of the meaning out of winning. But....as long as TPTB have the goal in mind of making their winner the biggest success story of the season, some credibility is maintained.

Honestly, if you think about it, this really is DC's first single. I have said this over and over but I guess I'll say it again. TOML has done better than anyone else ever anticipated and is basically smashing records on the HAC and AC formats. These singles normally die on the radio within 2 weeks of being released but this song has been the exception. If what DC has said turns out to be true, it's going to be late September before the first single from the CD will even be released and that was assuming with everything going well with the recording process. Right now, the tour is just getting ready to kick into hight gear and for the last few days, Davide and the others have spent their days traveling on the bus and now that they are in Arizona, they are rehearsing for the first show. He probably won't be back in the studio at least until later on this week after the holiday which at the earliest would be this coming Sunday. This is why it seems so long between the tour and the album release because the only free time they have to into the studio during the AI tour is on their days off.

If we assume from David's last interview that the CD isn't coming out till November, it would be in the label's best interest to release the next single before the album drops and not afterward since the tour will be over on 9/13. Jordin's single Tattoo was released last year while the AI tour was still in progress. Hopefully, the same will be done for Cookie as far as the song being released before the album because doing the latter, is not good for the artist but I can't see RCA making that mistake though.

I am not surprised after KLC's statement that she had a deal. I can see how this scenario you paint helps KLC's sales and maybe Archie's but not DC.
DC is in a whole other category from previous AI winners. He wants to be considered and is a Rocker. I don't see this application to him. These tactics won't apply to DC fans. His exposure is incredible. His music will stand on its own and will not get much benefit from KLC.
I don't see her breaking through the country market like Faith Hill or Shania Twain or Carrie Underwood. I have complete faith in DC and Fuller. I am just surprised at 19E choice of KLC over .. perhaps, Carly. When KLC was good, she was OK, when she was bad.........

I'm not so sure about that, but I read on MJ's that Kellie Pickler was the first AI s5 alum to release an album and that didn't exactly slow down Daughtry. Pickler also is not exactly a multiplatinum selling artist, but she has done well enough to be successful in her genre. Her having a single out really has nothing to do with when or how David's single comes out. When was the last time Pickler and Daughtry were on the same playlist? They will have to do a lot of legwork to get Kristy played on anywhere near as many formats as David is getting now.

I think the best KLC can do is Pickler-level success. She is not another Carrie. I don't think she will interfere with the guys who will likely get record deals (no idea what is up with MJ now). We've heard nothing of a producer or a single for Archie or MJ, either.

Honestly, I think there is much more trouble with MJ, Archie, and Cook running into each other on Top 40 or HAC than KLC having much to do with any of them. And even given that possibility I think MJ and Archie may have a lot more of an overlap than Cook does with either of them.

And why is everyone panicking about Cookie not getting a single out before the album anyway? He's the winner. RCA is promoting his single up the wazoo. Fuller loves him. The only reason to think they wouldn't give him every chance to succeed is really paranoia that they prefer someone else better, or at least that's how it seems from my perspective. What logical reason is there to suspect that RCA wouldn't release a single ahead of time to promote the album? I mean, if they are already using payola (allegedly) to get TOML out there I see no reason to suspect that they won't do everything they possibly can to help him. Didn't all the relatively successful or modestly successful AI winners have singles out before the album after the coronation single? Why would anyone suspect that TPTB would plan otherwise?

I really would like some light shed on this one.

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. Country artists tend to sell less than other kinds of contestants, with the exception of Carrie, so they are likely going for a whole different crowd here.



I disagree, the country artists from AI , have for the most part faired better than the majority of others. Chris Daughtry and Elliot Yamin are really the only 2 non winners that have had success that aren't in the country area. Kelly Pickler is doing quite well, and has won a few awards. I can't think of his name, but the guy that was a soldier that went country has also done fairly well. No, they haven't had the success of Kelly, Carrie, or Chris Daughtry; but they are doing better than most previous idol contestants. I would venture to say that Kellie Pickler did/is doing better than Reuben who was a winner and is probably doing just as well as Jordan Sparks. She is certainly doing better than Taylor Hicks, katherine M., and Blake. I don't know if it is out yet, but I read a while back that Phil Stacey was putting out a country album and I think it was expected to do pretty well. If 19 has a country label, they are banking on the success that previous contestants in that field have had. Do I think she will help David sell albums, no he doesn't need her help either. Good for her if she has a contract, I wish her and all of the other contestants nothing but luck.

As much as I would love to hear new music from David, I want him to take his time. Time will allow him to put out an amazing album, that not only his fans will love, but also the critics and other musicians. That is going to help him stick around a long time and help him have a chance to achieve his goal of winning a Grammy, Tony, and Oscar. Remember patience is a virtue and good things come to those who wait

That is my point. They aren't megastars but they do okay. For the most part, they DON'T cross over, though. So KLC will not be competition for David. I do not think the expectations are as high for her.

And I may have to dig up the numbers but I heard a while back that Taylor and Kat had both sold more than Kellie or Bucky but that Kellie and Bucky did okay for performing in their genre and were not expected to sell as much and thus did not lose their record deals. I think Phil Stacey's CD did rather poorly.

In the 2 seasons I have watched AI before this one, Taylor was the only winner who didn't have a single released off of his CD until after his CD dropped but I think the problem there, especially if you go by what Nigel said the day after he won in his radio interview: "we don't know how we are going to market him." That is almost a direct quote of the words he used. In fact, I think they tried out 3 different songs from the CD and none of them did very well plus he didn't do any writing or recording on days off from the AI tour like Daughtry, Jordin, or Blake did which is one of the reasons why his CD didn't come out until December. So on Taylor's part, his first single from his CD came out after the release. Jordin's single Tattoo came out on August 27th last year and her CD was released on November 20th.

To answer your question about the coronation song, yes, all of the AI winners had a coronation song out before the first single from their CD's so no, that part isn't unusual. As far as sales, Taylor's single did well, but it didn't really get any airplay and of course "This Is My Now" from last year basically flopped about 2 weeks out of the gate from the time it was released.



I don't want a rushed job and I don't think David does either. Yes, David has over 50 songs in consideration for the CD and is writing with other artists and so far had 7 songs (rough cuts) finished but the thing is, you want the "right" single released at the "right" time. You don't want the label to make the wrong decision when choosing the first single from the CD because that is more important than anyone realizes. How the first single does on a debut album like this can either make a break an artist. If it does well, it could mean a good sign of things to come, but if it does bad, then it almost doesn't matter what single is released from then on so this is why it's better for David and the label to take their time and make wise decisions.

Thanks for shedding light on that, Pam. I was kind of wondering why it was assumed that they would not let David have a single released beforehand to promote his album because it really makes no sense to me.

I know I didn't watch season 5 and most of the stuff I've learned about Taylor is stuff I've learned from this board in the past month, but personally I think Taylor is just a huge, huge exception to everything that has gone on with the show since it started. And it's really not the same thing here so I find it unlikely that they will be treated the same. I don't think they would ever be able to market Taylor to anybody who wasn't already into him and Cook has been told over and over again how commercial he is, to the point where he is the one who has to tone everything down.

Hi folks, I am LOVING this conversation.

The thought of a new single that he wrote suddenly showing up on iTunes makes me so excited, I don't think I'll have to eat tomorrow. (Don't worry, I'll live.) So many of us would buy anything he puts out sight unseen, er, should I say sound unheard? It's going to be an absolute shock to the entire industry.

Carrie Underwood dropped her album on Nov 15th 2005, was nominated for Best New artist on December 7, 2006 since she had her release after the Sept 30th deadline for 2005. Then she won the award for Best New Artist 2006 in January of 2007. Her first single came out Oct 2005. I am pretty much hoping he will go that same exact route, except maybe a little earlier with his first single.