I have a theory why David chose not to do "Always Be My Baby" on the tour. Simply, it's not a rock song. David is honing his image as an arena-rocking God right now. The true David as a performer is re-emerging. Except for TOML (which he is contractually obligated to sing, esp since it's charting well), all his other numbers are either classic or alternative rock in style (My Hero, IDWTMAT), or post grunge/Emo (Billy Jean, Hello).
I think David would be the first to agree that ABMB is an amazing cover and a fan favorite, that his studio version would be a big hit on the radio, and that someday he might release it. But right now he's got a hard rock album in the works so I think he really wants to stay in that zone. I think doing a "rock ballad" isn't the same thing as cutting a track like ABMB which, in his arrangement, almost skews country as much as pop. So that's my theory.
Btw, he kind of kicked TOML up to a rock song with the arrangement he's doing on the tour.
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Amen on the theory but I find myself wondering if on his new album although it will mainly be rock I am sure if he will do some slower ones just to mix it up a bit. This is one gal who is waiting patiently to have the hairs on the back of her neck stand straight up !
QUOTE (Scott @ Jul 4 2008, 09:19 AM) 
I have a theory why David chose not to do "Always Be My Baby" on the tour. Simply, it's not a rock song. David is honing his image as an arena-rocking God right now. The true David as a performer is re-emerging. Except for TOML (which he is contractually obligated to sing, esp since it's charting well), all his other numbers are either classic or alternative rock in style (My Hero, IDWTMAT), or post grunge/Emo (Billy Jean, Hello).
I think David would be the first to agree that ABMB is an amazing cover and a fan favorite, that his studio version would be a big hit on the radio, and that someday he might release it. But right now he's got a hard rock album in the works so I think he really wants to stay in that zone. I think doing a "rock ballad" isn't the same thing as cutting a track like ABMB which, in his arrangement, almost skews country as much as pop. So that's my theory.
Btw, he kind of kicked TOML up to a rock song with the arrangement he's doing on the tour.
I think David would be the first to agree that ABMB is an amazing cover and a fan favorite, that his studio version would be a big hit on the radio, and that someday he might release it. But right now he's got a hard rock album in the works so I think he really wants to stay in that zone. I think doing a "rock ballad" isn't the same thing as cutting a track like ABMB which, in his arrangement, almost skews country as much as pop. So that's my theory.
Btw, he kind of kicked TOML up to a rock song with the arrangement he's doing on the tour.
You might be right. He was asked the question about putting ABMB on his album wasn't he? He really didn't seem very keen and I didn't think about it at the time, he said it had to fit in with the album but that he wasn't opposed to it, if I remember rightly. That's kinda lukewarm for David who is usually very effusive and positive.
Now you have said all that and I agree with you, I guess he feels like he did the best he could with a song he had to do, but even with all the changes that's just not the kind of music he wants to make.
I also think that it turned out a little bit too mainstream for him maybe and that it fell between two posts of rock and pop, that it would maybe label him as too Middle of the Road especially along with TOML and that he would be consigned to the "power ballad" end of the market and it's very hard to get back to the cool end of rock from there.
Interesting post as always Scott. Thanks.
I think you're completely right Scott - looking at what else he choose they fit together perfectly, even the Rainbows song now his got the chance to play with the arrangment, ABMB would stand out like a sore thumb, similar to him doing Little Sparrow, they just don't really fit.
QUOTE (Alli @ Jul 4 2008, 09:29 AM)
You might be right. He was asked the question about putting ABMB on his album wasn't he? He really didn't seem very keen and I didn't think about it at the time, he said it had to fit in with the album but that he wasn't opposed to it, if I remember rightly. That's kinda lukewarm for David who is usually very effusive and positive.
Now you have said all that and I agree with you, I guess he feels like he did the best he could with a song he had to do, but even with all the changes that's just not the kind of music he wants to make.
I also think that it turned out a little bit too mainstream for him maybe and that it fell between two posts of rock and pop, that it would maybe label him as too Middle of the Road especially along with TOML and that he would be consigned to the "power ballad" end of the market and it's very hard to get back to the cool end of rock from there.
Interesting post as always Scott. Thanks.
Now you have said all that and I agree with you, I guess he feels like he did the best he could with a song he had to do, but even with all the changes that's just not the kind of music he wants to make.
I also think that it turned out a little bit too mainstream for him maybe and that it fell between two posts of rock and pop, that it would maybe label him as too Middle of the Road especially along with TOML and that he would be consigned to the "power ballad" end of the market and it's very hard to get back to the cool end of rock from there.
Interesting post as always Scott. Thanks.
Yeah, I love thinking about these things, and tyring to think what David's thinking! It's so important for him to get off being exclusively on Adult Conteporary POP and onto Adult Conteporary Rock (the AC pop stations will play him anyway). And for anyone who's affraid the new album will be only hard "metal" rock, I think that's not going to happen at all. Like Coldplay and U2, you can be solid rock (and rock solid!) but still make melodious, hair raising music that soars sonically. His lyrics are always powerful, and so much is in the arrangements. I think this new album will have some loud rock songs, quiter rock ballads, and some great guitar riffs! I don't know for sure, of course, but I'm getting kind of a vision of it, based on what David's said, and on his work in the past.
Edit: One more thing... in viewing his performances of the last three nights, it's amazing how he's pushing the vocals to even higher levels. He's got that powerful set of pipes and huge vocal range, and he knows how to use it! His vocals are going to be the thing that makes our hair stand up! So many of us think he's got a similar sound to Bush, Nickelback, Lifehouse, etc... but his amazing vocals and how he's learned to use them (even during AI he explored new aspects of his voice)... that's what's going to separate him from the pack and make him a superstar.
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Like Coldplay and U2, you can be solid rock (and rock solid!) but still make melodious, hair raising music that soars sonically. His lyrics are always powerful, and so much is in the arrangements. I think this new album with have some loud rock songs, quiter rock ballads, and some great guitar riffs! I don't know for sure, of course, but I'm getting kind of a vision of it, based on what David's said, and on his work in the past.
Edit: One more thing... in viewing his performances of the last three nights, it's amazing how he's pushing the vocals to even higher levels. He's got that powerful set of pipes and huge vocal range, and he knows how to use it! His vocals are going to be the thing that makes our hair stand up! So many of us think he's got a similar sound to Bush, Nickelback, Lifehouse, etc... but his amazing vocals and how he's learned to use them (even during AI he explored new aspects of his voice)... that's what's going to separate him from the pack and make him a superstar.
Edit: One more thing... in viewing his performances of the last three nights, it's amazing how he's pushing the vocals to even higher levels. He's got that powerful set of pipes and huge vocal range, and he knows how to use it! His vocals are going to be the thing that makes our hair stand up! So many of us think he's got a similar sound to Bush, Nickelback, Lifehouse, etc... but his amazing vocals and how he's learned to use them (even during AI he explored new aspects of his voice)... that's what's going to separate him from the pack and make him a superstar.
Very, VERY well said and VERY true. I for one love Coldplay's new album - it totally makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up. And I think David's new album is going to be just as amazing. I for one, can't wait for it.
You posted on the other thread that Mariah practically begged him to do duet with her. what did he say?
ABMB is a very beautiful song. i hope David and Mariah would collaborate with a new song that perfectly match their styles but not overpowering one another.
ABMB is a very beautiful song. i hope David and Mariah would collaborate with a new song that perfectly match their styles but not overpowering one another.
QUOTE (singrosal @ Jul 4 2008, 10:16 AM)
You posted on the other thread that Mariah practically begged him to do duet with her. what did he say?
ABMB is a very beautiful song. i hope David and Mariah would collaborate with a new song that perfectly match their styles but not overpowering one another.
ABMB is a very beautiful song. i hope David and Mariah would collaborate with a new song that perfectly match their styles but not overpowering one another.
I don't think he ever really gave an answer. It was during Idol when she was asked her reaction to David's cover. I think if he does do a duet, it would maybe go on her album and not his. Probably after he's established himselef with the new CD. To be continued.....
Edit: I do think when Mariah comes asking, you don't say no! Especially in the beginning stages. I can't imagine him declining, in a million years. Like I said, it would come out as a single and then go on her pop-oriented album. Down the road, when he has a greatest hits CD, he'll put it on that!!!
QUOTE (singrosal @ Jul 4 2008, 10:16 AM)
You posted on the other thread that Mariah practically begged him to do duet with her. what did he say?
ABMB is a very beautiful song. i hope David and Mariah would collaborate with a new song that perfectly match their styles but not overpowering one another.
ABMB is a very beautiful song. i hope David and Mariah would collaborate with a new song that perfectly match their styles but not overpowering one another.
If he is working with Kara, as we have heard he is, then there certainly will be hair raising I can guarantee.
Scott: I like your theory and you are probably right. Though I would love to hear ABMB during this tour - it probably does not fit the playlist flow.
I also had a passing thought this morning that I wonder if Lionel Richie will be present at any of the shows (maybe LA?) I know that Lionel will be so impressed on "Hello" as it has evolved over the last few months. I also had the thought that maybe Mariah Carey may also be in the audience (LA perhaps) and who knows he may still do ABMB somewhere along the tour.
I also had a passing thought this morning that I wonder if Lionel Richie will be present at any of the shows (maybe LA?) I know that Lionel will be so impressed on "Hello" as it has evolved over the last few months. I also had the thought that maybe Mariah Carey may also be in the audience (LA perhaps) and who knows he may still do ABMB somewhere along the tour.
QUOTE (annette @ Jul 4 2008, 10:26 AM)
Scott: I like your theory and you are probably right. Though I would love to hear ABMB during this tour - it probably does not fit the playlist flow.
I also had a passing thought this morning that I wonder if Lionel Richie will be present at any of the shows (maybe LA?) I know that Lionel will be so impressed on "Hello" as it has evolved over the last few months. I also had the thought that maybe Mariah Carey may also be in the audience (LA perhaps) and who knows he may still do ABMB somewhere along the tour.
I also had a passing thought this morning that I wonder if Lionel Richie will be present at any of the shows (maybe LA?) I know that Lionel will be so impressed on "Hello" as it has evolved over the last few months. I also had the thought that maybe Mariah Carey may also be in the audience (LA perhaps) and who knows he may still do ABMB somewhere along the tour.
Annette, I've also wondered that. I kind of think Lionel Richie was the most impressed of all the mentors. I think those two will collaborate in the near future. Anyhoo... off to a holiday bbq now... i'll check back in with you all later today!
OK Here goes...I'm leaving myself open to screams from Carey fans... oh well..
Could it be that "Our Baby" didn't want to do it cuz he was not Happy with the Hissy fit that Carey supposedly threw at his beating her out on the charts, the week that her new album came out?
He pulled his music from Amazon just when he was selling it like hotcakes. Now, he wants us to download AH and GIVE it to everyone. Something tells me that TPTB got jealous and so he's just "Giving Back"!
GOOD FOR HIM!! See the article...
http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/inde...t-then-vanishes
Could it be that "Our Baby" didn't want to do it cuz he was not Happy with the Hissy fit that Carey supposedly threw at his beating her out on the charts, the week that her new album came out?
He pulled his music from Amazon just when he was selling it like hotcakes. Now, he wants us to download AH and GIVE it to everyone. Something tells me that TPTB got jealous and so he's just "Giving Back"!
GOOD FOR HIM!! See the article...http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/inde...t-then-vanishes
Scott, I think you are right on the money! Just doesn't fit the tour set.
But I am still hoping at some point and time David will release ABMB - even as a Bonus Track or something. It's just too good and unique to fade into oblivion! It's still one of my favorites!
But I am still hoping at some point and time David will release ABMB - even as a Bonus Track or something. It's just too good and unique to fade into oblivion! It's still one of my favorites!
About "Always Be My Baby"
Maybe they should do what Paula have suggested.
They should sell it to a movie soundtrack than it goes on that album. And can get radio play for David.
And about the song choice I don’t think we really can image what make the management decide what is on the show, because to me it seems that there isn’t a lot of left from the songs the idols themselves wanted to perform.
I hope the let David do the record he wants and that TOML will be only track the forced on the album.
I’ve bought today the album of the winner of the German equivalent to idol, who is also a rocker. But I am a little bit disappointed with the album, because for me it is a little bit half-hearted.
Or maybe I am a little bit spoiled from David’s music.
Maybe they should do what Paula have suggested.
They should sell it to a movie soundtrack than it goes on that album. And can get radio play for David.
And about the song choice I don’t think we really can image what make the management decide what is on the show, because to me it seems that there isn’t a lot of left from the songs the idols themselves wanted to perform.
I hope the let David do the record he wants and that TOML will be only track the forced on the album.
I’ve bought today the album of the winner of the German equivalent to idol, who is also a rocker. But I am a little bit disappointed with the album, because for me it is a little bit half-hearted.
Or maybe I am a little bit spoiled from David’s music.
My theory is ABMB is being saved for that movie or TV soundtrack. It was a smart move to put TDWMAT into the set list: it's such an iconic song and the audience has been singing along to the Aerosmith version for years. It's definitely a crowd-pleaser.
I never heard anything about her throwing a hissy fit.
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Could it be that "Our Baby" didn't want to do it cuz he was not Happy with the Hissy fit that Carey threw at his beating her out on the charts, the week that her new album came out?
I never heard anything about her throwing a hissy fit.
I'm doubting any AI songs will make it on his album. They're all great and amazing, but I think DC wants to do new stuff. He has said that he's not sure about putting songs he did on the show on the record, it depends on if it fits with the flow, and my hunch is that it won't.
I think his record is going to be amazing. I can't wait for it. And the more he fiddles around with the arrangement of TOML, the better it sounds. Yeah, the lyrics are still corny and cheesy as all get out, but he makes you LOVE IT. I have no shame in saying I love that song, but I wouldn't have loved it had any other artist done it.
As for ABMB, his cover blew Mariah's out of the water, and maybe she only wants him to release it so that her sales go up, because people are bound to buy the original just to hear it (and then come to the conclusion that his is 1000000000000000000000000000 times better.)
I think his record is going to be amazing. I can't wait for it. And the more he fiddles around with the arrangement of TOML, the better it sounds. Yeah, the lyrics are still corny and cheesy as all get out, but he makes you LOVE IT. I have no shame in saying I love that song, but I wouldn't have loved it had any other artist done it.
As for ABMB, his cover blew Mariah's out of the water, and maybe she only wants him to release it so that her sales go up, because people are bound to buy the original just to hear it (and then come to the conclusion that his is 1000000000000000000000000000 times better.)
The song just didn't fit his repertoire, i think. he's the last one to sing so I would think he wanted to rock it out. if he did ABMB it would really slow thigns down instead of building up the momentum. I loved the songs he picked. of course i would rather he sang everything LOL but as I always say, this guy can sing ANYTHING in front of me and i'd be happy.
QUOTE (li'lsparrow @ Jul 4 2008, 01:04 PM)
My theory is ABMB is being saved for that movie or TV soundtrack. It was a smart move to put TDWMAT into the set list: it's such an iconic song and the audience has been singing along to the Aerosmith version for years. It's definitely a crowd-pleaser.
I never heard anything about her throwing a hissy fit.
I never heard anything about her throwing a hissy fit.
Well, I read it here about a week after he pulled his music @
http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/inde...t-then-vanishes
It is posed as a question, so the hissy fit I am referring to is just my opinion, from this particular article. I know I read it somewhere else, too. but I can't remember where. It was NOT a tabloid cuz I DON'T READ THEM!
It could all be completely cleared up if TPTB would say why he pulled his music that very week, but something tells me they like the controversy. As the saying goes, " Bad press is better than no press" (For her and AI I mean, of course)
In any case, I couldn't care less if he ever sings it again. It's certainly NOT a David song. IMO
I too hope that someone will use Always Be My Baby on a soundtrack and maybe some original music. That way he might get his Oscar.
QUOTE (Scott @ Jul 4 2008, 09:19 AM)
I think David would be the first to agree that ABMB is an amazing cover and a fan favorite, that his studio version would be a big hit on the radio, and that someday he might release it.
Currently, ABMB is already a big hit on the radio in Asia. Airplay on it started soon after David performed it on the show. Currently its the number 1 song on the charts of one of the major radio stations here in Singapore. Time of My Life is slowly climbing its way up the charts but it wasn't as instant and as big a hit here as ABMB was. For the record, I've always liked TOML, despite the lyrics
and yeah David definitely tries to change things up and make it interesting each time he performs it. I like the version of it that he's doing now, more his style. With David, even the songs that he doesn't really want to sing or doesn't fit who he is (I'm thinking back to some of the group numbers on the show) he doesn't show it, he doesn't look uncomfortable singing it, he puts his all into it despite it not particularly being his style. QUOTE (Scott)
And for anyone who's affraid the new album will be only hard "metal" rock, I think that's not going to happen at all.
You know something, this isn't a concern of mine about David's upcoming new album, I remember him saying yes it will be a rock record but he's also wanting his songs to have cross appeal into other genres, BUT I will admit that I was concerned about his earlier work prior to AI being "hard" rock. I had followed AI throughout the season and rooted for Cook but never really "researched" him so I didn't know anything about his music career prior to the show. It wasn't until the show was approaching the finale that I started panicking about NOT getting to see/hear him on such a regular basis anymore and that's when I googled and voila.. here I've been since then!
Anyway, I digress, when I found out he had released other albums prior to the show, I downloaded what I could find BUT I hadn't listened to any of them just yet. At the back of my mind, I was thinking they could very well BE hardcore rock and that's not particularly my taste. And I generally don't instantly like a song when I hear it for the first time, it takes a while to grow on me. But the weird thing with David was that there were several songs that he sang on the show which I hadn't known before AND ended up liking right away. Maybe it was the combination of the songs and the way he delivered/performed them that did it. Two examples being 'Innocent' and 'The World I Know.' Till TODAY, Innocent is still one of my favourites from the AI playlist.
So when I started to get deprived of new David material, I decided to take a chance on Analog Heart, which I had had for some time but never listened to, yes yes I know, feel free to smack me upside the head.
And what do you know, David did it again! I've never heard these songs before and ended up liking them right off the bat and my fears were unfounded, not hardcore/metal rock AT ALL. These days, I listen to Analog Heart daily and I think its pretty incredible!I wanna ask you guys tho (sorry Scott, I don't mean to hijack your thread
) would Axium and MWK material be considered hard rock? No I haven't heard any of those songs and YES you are all free to smack me upside the head for that!
QUOTE (Scott @ Jul 4 2008, 09:19 AM)
I have a theory why David chose not to do "Always Be My Baby" on the tour. Simply, it's not a rock song. David is honing his image as an arena-rocking God right now. The true David as a performer is re-emerging. Except for TOML (which he is contractually obligated to sing, esp since it's charting well), all his other numbers are either classic or alternative rock in style (My Hero, IDWTMAT), or post grunge/Emo (Billy Jean, Hello).
I think David would be the first to agree that ABMB is an amazing cover and a fan favorite, that his studio version would be a big hit on the radio, and that someday he might release it. But right now he's got a hard rock album in the works so I think he really wants to stay in that zone. I think doing a "rock ballad" isn't the same thing as cutting a track like ABMB which, in his arrangement, almost skews country as much as pop. So that's my theory.
Btw, he kind of kicked TOML up to a rock song with the arrangement he's doing on the tour.
I think David would be the first to agree that ABMB is an amazing cover and a fan favorite, that his studio version would be a big hit on the radio, and that someday he might release it. But right now he's got a hard rock album in the works so I think he really wants to stay in that zone. I think doing a "rock ballad" isn't the same thing as cutting a track like ABMB which, in his arrangement, almost skews country as much as pop. So that's my theory.
Btw, he kind of kicked TOML up to a rock song with the arrangement he's doing on the tour.
Good theory ... I have been thinking about this a lot too because ABMB was MY personal favorite and I was bummed that it wasn't on the set list, because I do think at one point early on it was. I think you are right and it had to do with the mix of songs - David has said before that the right vibe/mix is important to him.
Here's my other "crackpot" theory ... I've been listening to the podcast of the last KIIS visit with On-Air with Ryan Seacrest about a week before the tour, and he really seemed to be pushing "Hello" as THE breakout song. All he kept playing and talking about. I wonder if that kind of played a role - what others thought as the breakout. Personally I never thought Hello was the IT song, though I like it. I would rather have seen something slower like ABMB or I also looove Still Haven't Found & The World I Know. I think once he decided on Hello he couldn't do the others. Oh well. I love most everything he does, like Paula says - I just want MORE more more... !!! I think we probably just have to be satisfied with our downloads for 4 more months.
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ere's my other "crackpot" theory ... I've been listening to the podcast of the last KIIS visit with On-Air with Ryan Seacrest about a week before the tour, and he really seemed to be pushing "Hello" as THE breakout song. All he kept playing and talking about. I wonder if that kind of played a role - what others thought as the breakout.
Ryan is absolutely gleeful about the song on that interview. I love the part where he says that that is the most Lionel Richie's been played on that station for 10 years. It got a lot of reception on Ryan's show right after it first emerged.
Richie calls in and is instantly a total fanboy.
David Cook had so many friggin' breakouts it's hard to pinpoint just one. I think that's why so many of us are so emotionally attached to him. He took the cheesiest show ever and made it have meaning. When he won, it was almost as if we had a victory for real musicianship.
QUOTE (cookielust @ Jul 4 2008, 02:42 PM)
The song just didn't fit his repertoire, i think. he's the last one to sing so I would think he wanted to rock it out. if he did ABMB it would really slow thigns down instead of building up the momentum. I loved the songs he picked. of course i would rather he sang everything LOL but as I always say, this guy can sing ANYTHING in front of me and i'd be happy.
cookielust - I agree with you. This is true, if he could sing all of what he sang on Idol - that would be wonderful thing - but his song selection is perfect.
QUOTE (li'lsparrow @ Jul 4 2008, 07:34 PM)
Ryan is absolutely gleeful about the song on that interview. I love the part where he says that that is the most Lionel Richie's been played on that station for 10 years. It got a lot of reception on Ryan's show right after it first emerged.
Richie calls in and is instantly a total fanboy.
David Cook had so many friggin' breakouts it's hard to pinpoint just one. I think that's why so many of us are so emotionally attached to him. He took the cheesiest show ever and made it have meaning. When he won, it was almost as if we had a victory for real musicianship.
Richie calls in and is instantly a total fanboy.
David Cook had so many friggin' breakouts it's hard to pinpoint just one. I think that's why so many of us are so emotionally attached to him. He took the cheesiest show ever and made it have meaning. When he won, it was almost as if we had a victory for real musicianship.
True.
QUOTE (MySonsASoldier @ Jul 4 2008, 12:32 PM)
OK Here goes...I'm leaving myself open to screams from Carey fans... oh well..
Could it be that "Our Baby" didn't want to do it cuz he was not Happy with the Hissy fit that Carey supposedly threw at his beating her out on the charts, the week that her new album came out?
He pulled his music from Amazon just when he was selling it like hotcakes. Now, he wants us to download AH and GIVE it to everyone. Something tells me that TPTB got jealous and so he's just "Giving Back"! GOOD FOR HIM!! See the article...
http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/inde...t-then-vanishes
Could it be that "Our Baby" didn't want to do it cuz he was not Happy with the Hissy fit that Carey supposedly threw at his beating her out on the charts, the week that her new album came out?
He pulled his music from Amazon just when he was selling it like hotcakes. Now, he wants us to download AH and GIVE it to everyone. Something tells me that TPTB got jealous and so he's just "Giving Back"!
GOOD FOR HIM!! See the article...http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/inde...t-then-vanishes
I love Mariah....she is my goddess....always has been,always will be...no matter what kind of foolishness she's pulling off(Lord knows she's done a lot of that lately.) I would not put it past her to have had a fit like that.....we all know she's DIVA enough to do it. And if that is the reason David pulled AH from retail outlets....then it shows how respectful he is as an artist. She whines and gets her way(nothing new) but in the end....who prevails? Cook!
QUOTE (blue_sky78 @ Jul 4 2008, 01:07 PM)
I wanna ask you guys tho (sorry Scott, I don't mean to hijack your thread ) would Axium and MWK material be considered hard rock? No I haven't heard any of those songs and YES you are all free to smack me upside the head for that!
) would Axium and MWK material be considered hard rock? No I haven't heard any of those songs and YES you are all free to smack me upside the head for that! Not hijacked at all... I love these tangents! I would say they're solid rock... maybe considered hard rock... but not metal. They're really alternative rock... Axium's stuff is kind of post-grunge.
I also want to add (well, just agree with everyone on this thread) that ABMB is arguably his very best studio recording. His vocals are flawless and his feeling and emotion coupled with his interpretation of the lyrics are incredible. But again, I posed the question specifically related to the tour. BTW, the Idols have hinted that they may change some songs sometime during the tour. Very vague about it though. And as for TOML, I have to say I've grown to love that song. And like I've said so many times on these MBs, the "magic rainbow" lyric is quick, and comes early & just once!
QUOTE (li'lsparrow @ Jul 4 2008, 04:34 PM)
David Cook had so many friggin' breakouts it's hard to pinpoint just one. I think that's why so many of us are so emotionally attached to him. He took the cheesiest show ever and made it have meaning. When he won, it was almost as if we had a victory for real musicianship.
Yes Yes Yes! L'ilSparrow, I love you!
QUOTE (blue_sky78 @ Jul 4 2008, 03:07 PM)
I wanna ask you guys tho (sorry Scott, I don't mean to hijack your thread ) would Axium and MWK material be considered hard rock? No I haven't heard any of those songs and YES you are all free to smack me upside the head for that!
) would Axium and MWK material be considered hard rock? No I haven't heard any of those songs and YES you are all free to smack me upside the head for that! I think it is considered post-grunge or alternative or even indie rock, but Im not sure about it. Scott really is the man you should ask. Although I totally agree with him about the classic/"almost" emo rock Dave is trying to portrait as his trademark, at least right now!
I was soo happy he choose to play My Hero in the tour! I think that is the kind of music he most enjoys, and he once again "better" the song, cause although I've being a Dave Grohl fan for ages (since Nirvana unplugged album) I get soo excited when I hear DC sing -I mean rock!- the song.
By the way the other day a was hanging out with a friend -who happens to loov The FF, Collective Soul, Radiohead, Bush, Pearl Jam...- and I recognized My Hero from the first chord, just to later be totally disappointed to hear it was the ORIGINAL! LOL.
When DC releases his album Im gonna buy my friend a copy, Im sure he will digg it!
About David album I believe he is gonna surprise us all! Cause even though he will mainly rock (either classic or alternative) he also said in one of the many interviews right after winning that during AI we only got to know like three to five of his many shades (or something like that). And when I heard that Ryan Tedder from OneRepublic was going to collaborate with in his album I was like OMG!!! two of my favorites musicians together, that will be such a joyride!
Really, just heart me out. Ryan and his band, as DC does, make songs with meaningful lyrics, excellent arrangements (they play cello and even a Glockenspiel in Say All I need -live or official video-) and Ryan is a heck of a producer!!! He is an artist who started real young, persevered and just recently is harvesting the fruits of his labor. He is like a blond version of Cook, albeit with falsetto, just check him singing at his song "the look" when he was 21:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7I0oK3rpcY
Bottom line: For me ALL THIS, and Cook's previous musical historiy, mean that DC could incorporated any kind of instrument into his songs (he has proven to be a bit partial to violins), they will make superb arrangements and that the end result will be really eclectic, with some brit rock, post-grunge or even hard rock sound with dramatic and lyric vocals. Anyhow, it will denote OUR ROCKER musical growth and he will unquestionable give us his mad vocals!
P.S. I you are reaaally curious about all these rock "labels" you should check wikipedia.
I think the articles about these subjects can explain better than me, and give you a short history about the development and the bands behind each wave. About Axium and MWK I think they definitely fit under the alternative rock umbrella, with their lyrics and guitar power chords, but that is just my partially rock-educated guess
(I can be such a nerd sometimes)if you want to continue enlightening CHECK OUT:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-grunge
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_rock
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axium
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onerepublic
ha ha ha Scott you beat me to the explanation!!!!! Im such a scholar sometimes that I always check for references in what Im saying, and end up writin an article about it!!! LOL
For what is worth I really like all the topics you post, they are the most interesting and challenging ones of almost all the Forum!!! and we are over 10,000!!!! so that is something man, congrats!
Abriru
QUOTE (Willingly Cook'ified @ Jul 5 2008, 12:35 AM)
I think it is considered post-grunge or alternative or even indie rock, but Im not sure about it. Scott really is the man you should ask. Although I totally agree with him about the classic/"almost" emo rock he is trying to portrait as his trademark, at least right now!
I was soo happy he choose to play My Hero in the tour! I think that is the kind of music he most enjoys, and he once again "better" the song, cause although I've being a Dave Grohl fan for ages (since Nirvana unplugged album) I get soo excited when I hear DC sing -I mean rock!- the song.
By the way the other day a was hanging out with a friend -who happens to loov The FF, Collective Soul, Radiohead, Bush, Pearl Jam...- and I recognized My Hero from the first chord, just to later be totally disappointed to hear it was the ORIGINAL! LOL.
When DC releases his album Im gonna buy my friend a copy, Im sure he will digg it!
About David album I believe he is gonna surprise us all! Cause even though he will mainly rock (either classic or alternative) he also said in one of the many interviews right after winning that during AI we only got to know like three to five of his many shades (or something like that). And when I heard that Ryan Tedder from OneRepublic was going to collaborate with in his album I was like OMG!!! two of my favorites musicians together, that will be such a joyride!
Really, just heart me out. Ryan and his band, as DC does, make songs with meaningful lyrics, excellent arrangements (they play cello and even a Glockenspiel in Say All I need -live or official video-) and Ryan is a heck of a producer!!! He is an artist who started real young, persevered and just recently is harvesting the fruits of his labor. He is like a blond version of Cook, albeit with falsetto, just check him singing at his song "the look" when he was 21:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7I0oK3rpcY
Bottom line: For me ALL THIS, and Cook's previous musical historiy, mean that DC could incorporated any kind of instrument into his songs (he has proven to be a bit partial to violins), they will make superb arrangements and that the end result will be really eclectic, with some brit rock, post-grunge or even hard rock sound with dramatic and lyric vocals. Anyhow, it will denote OUR ROCKER musical growth and he will unquestionable give us his mad vocals!
P.S. I you are reaaally curious about all these rock "labels" you should check wikipedia.
I think the articles about these subjects can explain better than me, and give you a short history about the development and the bands behind each wave. About Axium and MWK I think they definitely fit under the alternative rock umbrella, with their lyrics and guitar power chords, but that is just my partially rock-educated guess (I can be such a nerd sometimes)
if you want to continue enlightening CHECK OUT:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-grunge
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_rock
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axium
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onerepublic
ha ha ha Scott you beat me to the explanation!!!!! Im such a scholar sometimes that I always check for references in what Im saying, and end up writin an article about it!!! LOL
For what is worth I really like all the topics you post, they are the most interesting and challenging ones of almost all the Forum!!! and we are over 10,000!!!! so that is something man, congrats!
Abriru
I was soo happy he choose to play My Hero in the tour! I think that is the kind of music he most enjoys, and he once again "better" the song, cause although I've being a Dave Grohl fan for ages (since Nirvana unplugged album) I get soo excited when I hear DC sing -I mean rock!- the song.
By the way the other day a was hanging out with a friend -who happens to loov The FF, Collective Soul, Radiohead, Bush, Pearl Jam...- and I recognized My Hero from the first chord, just to later be totally disappointed to hear it was the ORIGINAL! LOL.
When DC releases his album Im gonna buy my friend a copy, Im sure he will digg it!
About David album I believe he is gonna surprise us all! Cause even though he will mainly rock (either classic or alternative) he also said in one of the many interviews right after winning that during AI we only got to know like three to five of his many shades (or something like that). And when I heard that Ryan Tedder from OneRepublic was going to collaborate with in his album I was like OMG!!! two of my favorites musicians together, that will be such a joyride!
Really, just heart me out. Ryan and his band, as DC does, make songs with meaningful lyrics, excellent arrangements (they play cello and even a Glockenspiel in Say All I need -live or official video-) and Ryan is a heck of a producer!!! He is an artist who started real young, persevered and just recently is harvesting the fruits of his labor. He is like a blond version of Cook, albeit with falsetto, just check him singing at his song "the look" when he was 21:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7I0oK3rpcY
Bottom line: For me ALL THIS, and Cook's previous musical historiy, mean that DC could incorporated any kind of instrument into his songs (he has proven to be a bit partial to violins), they will make superb arrangements and that the end result will be really eclectic, with some brit rock, post-grunge or even hard rock sound with dramatic and lyric vocals. Anyhow, it will denote OUR ROCKER musical growth and he will unquestionable give us his mad vocals!
P.S. I you are reaaally curious about all these rock "labels" you should check wikipedia.
I think the articles about these subjects can explain better than me, and give you a short history about the development and the bands behind each wave. About Axium and MWK I think they definitely fit under the alternative rock umbrella, with their lyrics and guitar power chords, but that is just my partially rock-educated guess
(I can be such a nerd sometimes)if you want to continue enlightening CHECK OUT:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-grunge
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_rock
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axium
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onerepublic
ha ha ha Scott you beat me to the explanation!!!!! Im such a scholar sometimes that I always check for references in what Im saying, and end up writin an article about it!!! LOL
For what is worth I really like all the topics you post, they are the most interesting and challenging ones of almost all the Forum!!! and we are over 10,000!!!! so that is something man, congrats!
Abriru
Great post! David's not only partial to violins, he plays! I'm not sure how well, but before he took up the guitar, he took violin classes (I think he said for 3 years in school) to impress a girl he had a crush on. Probably 6th grade/middle school... he switched to guitar by 13 and formed Axium by 15... so he was probably in 5, 6 & 7 grade.
QUOTE (Scott @ Jul 5 2008, 02:39 AM)
Great post! David's not only partial to violins, he plays! I'm not sure how well, but before he took up the guitar, he took violin classes (I think he said for 3 years in school) to impress a girl he had a crush on. Probably 6th grade/middle school... he switched to guitar by 13 and formed Axium by 15... so he was probably in 5, 6 & 7 grade.
Oh yes I did read about it, I also know he can play the bass so maybe he can incorporate some cello in one of his songs??? haha I think that will give me goosebumps! I looove hearing cello or piano in a rock song! (Coldplay and Depeche Mode do the best arrangements from the later, I think)
Someone on another board had a chance to speak with David a bit at the Taste for the Cure event. He mentioned to her that he was trying really hard to get "My Hero" into his tour set (and she got the impression that he was having to work pretty hard to get everyone to agree to it). Since it made the list, I always wondered if he'd had to make some kind of a trade, "My Hero" in exchange for the song that was actually the PRODUCER'S choice on the show.
I know. Smacks slightly of a conspiracy theory, but I still think ABMB could have fit into the slot that DWTMAT is in right now, because he "closes" his set with "My Hero." Totally rocked out song. ("Billie Jean" is obviously set up as his "encore.") And ebb and flow during a 4-5 song set is still needed.
Of course, that's just my opinion. Take it with a huge grain of salt.
AJ
I know. Smacks slightly of a conspiracy theory, but I still think ABMB could have fit into the slot that DWTMAT is in right now, because he "closes" his set with "My Hero." Totally rocked out song. ("Billie Jean" is obviously set up as his "encore.") And ebb and flow during a 4-5 song set is still needed.
Of course, that's just my opinion. Take it with a huge grain of salt.
AJ
QUOTE (AJinKC @ Jul 5 2008, 12:50 AM)
Someone on another board had a chance to speak with David a bit at the Taste for the Cure event. He mentioned to her that he was trying really hard to get "My Hero" into his tour set (and she got the impression that he was having to work pretty hard to get everyone to agree to it). Since it made the list, I always wondered if he'd had to make some kind of a trade, "My Hero" in exchange for the song that was actually the PRODUCER'S choice on the show.
I know. Smacks slightly of a conspiracy theory, but I still think ABMB could have fit into the slot that DWTMAT is in right now, because he "closes" his set with "My Hero." Totally rocked out song. ("Billie Jean" is obviously set up as his "encore.") And ebb and flow during a 4-5 song set is still needed.
Of course, that's just my opinion. Take it with a huge grain of salt.
AJ
I know. Smacks slightly of a conspiracy theory, but I still think ABMB could have fit into the slot that DWTMAT is in right now, because he "closes" his set with "My Hero." Totally rocked out song. ("Billie Jean" is obviously set up as his "encore.") And ebb and flow during a 4-5 song set is still needed.
Of course, that's just my opinion. Take it with a huge grain of salt.
AJ
No AJ, don't belittle your own theory!! In fact, give yourself a pat on the back - you may really be on to something, and it bodes very very very well for David. Many have wondered what kind of freedom he will have in this contract... esp in the beginning. If he got them to dump (or they got him to dump) ABMB (the producers "sure thing/safe pick") and succeeded in getting "My Hero," especially for the reasons in my theory, then David is a force to be reckoned with. I'm picturing him standing his ground, forcefully. Wow, that really turns me on!
QUOTE (AJinKC @ Jul 5 2008, 02:50 AM)
I know. Smacks slightly of a conspiracy theory, but I still think ABMB could have fit into the slot that DWTMAT is in right now, because he "closes" his set with "My Hero." Totally rocked out song. ("Billie Jean" is obviously set up as his "encore.") And ebb and flow during a 4-5 song set is still needed.
Of course, that's just my opinion. Take it with a huge grain of salt.)
Of course, that's just my opinion. Take it with a huge grain of salt.)
As Scott said I dont think we should take it with a grain of salt, we should be thrill that David already has the power to negotiate in terms he can agree and keep his integrity while at it!
Give us some cheers for our pirate!!! Go David, Go David!!
OMG, at 3 am we start to loose our inhibitions! Do you see what you make us do DC?!?!
QUOTE (Willingly Cook'ified @ Jul 5 2008, 01:13 AM)
As Scott said I dont think we should take it with a grain of salt, we should be thrill that David already has the power to negotiate in terms he can agree and keep his integrity while at it!
Give us some cheers for our pirate!!! Go David, Go David!!
OMG, at 3 am we start to loose our inhibitions! Do you see what you make us do DC?!?!
Give us some cheers for our pirate!!! Go David, Go David!!
OMG, at 3 am we start to loose our inhibitions! Do you see what you make us do DC?!?!
Well, it's just 1:20am here, and about 45 minutes ago, still fresh from friend's my beer and wine laden bbq, I totally let loose my inhibitions and responded to the "how did you react when David won" thread. Previously I simply stated "way to embarassing for a 48 year old man to discuss" and in a reply was lightheartedly called a chicken and asked to dish. So tonight I did! OMG, I think I'm as addicted to this site as I am to DC!
QUOTE (Scott @ Jul 5 2008, 03:22 AM)
Well, it's just 1:20am here, and about 45 minutes ago, still fresh from friend's my beer and wine laden bbq, I totally let loose my inhibitions and responded to the "how did you react when David won" thread. Previously I simply stated "way to embarassing for a 48 year old man to discuss" and in a reply was lightheartedly called a chicken and asked to dish. So tonight I did! OMG, I think I'm as addicted to this site as I am to DC!
Well, now I have to read your response on that thread, Im feeling a little weird like if Im stalking you!! hahaha I have to stop commenting on everything you post!!! but is sooo dam%$) funny!
And yes, it is almost 4 am. from this part of the world (monterrey-mexico, arriba Juarez!!! yeeehaa)
AB
QUOTE (li'lsparrow @ Jul 5 2008, 08:34 AM)
David Cook had so many friggin' breakouts it's hard to pinpoint just one. I think that's why so many of us are so emotionally attached to him. He took the cheesiest show ever and made it have meaning. When he won, it was almost as if we had a victory for real musicianship.
AMEN AMEN AMEN. Nuff said.
Well actually, just to expand a little. Scott, I agree in part with your theory. Idol was basically a stage to reach every nook and cranny in his range, and David did so. Now it time to tell people WHO.HE.IS. Because he knows who he is. And now, it's time to meet Dave- the rocker.
I for one, am stoked!
Totally agree, Scott. When I experienced his set in Glendale, I thought, "Well, that was a total rock show." ABMB would have stuck out like a sore thumb. Would not have fit the high energy rock set that David put together (esp with the super-charged My Hero that he absolutely rocks out).
David seems very aware of his song choices and the composition of the overall set as it relates to the journey he wants to take the audience on. I, for one, am glad that ABMB wasn't in his set, because I find his set pretty darn perfect! Pure Rocker David through and through.
David seems very aware of his song choices and the composition of the overall set as it relates to the journey he wants to take the audience on. I, for one, am glad that ABMB wasn't in his set, because I find his set pretty darn perfect! Pure Rocker David through and through.
QUOTE (Willingly Cook'ified @ Jul 5 2008, 01:44 AM)
Well, now I have to read your response on that thread, Im feeling a little weird like if Im stalking you!! hahaha I have to stop commenting on everything you post!!! but is sooo dam%$) funny!
And yes, it is almost 4 am. from this part of the world (monterrey-mexico, arriba Juarez!!! yeeehaa)
AB
And yes, it is almost 4 am. from this part of the world (monterrey-mexico, arriba Juarez!!! yeeehaa)
AB
Keep commenting! Unlike David, I have a really big ego
I agree that David always keeps in mind the bigger picture and how his entire set comes off and not just individual songs but how they flow into one another. In other words, all 5 songs should come off as part of ONE cohesive performance. I guess what he learned on AI really stuck with him (if he wasn't already this way before), he mentioned this in an interview about how if he were to look back on all of his AI performances, they should feel like a set list.
Thanks for the rock edumacation btw!
I've got me some learnin' to do! QUOTE (cookcrazed @ Jul 4 2008, 06:55 PM)
Good theory ... I have been thinking about this a lot too because ABMB was MY personal favorite and I was bummed that it wasn't on the set list, because I do think at one point early on it was. I think you are right and it had to do with the mix of songs - David has said before that the right vibe/mix is important to him.
Here's my other "crackpot" theory ... I've been listening to the podcast of the last KIIS visit with On-Air with Ryan Seacrest about a week before the tour, and he really seemed to be pushing "Hello" as THE breakout song. All he kept playing and talking about. I wonder if that kind of played a role - what others thought as the breakout. Personally I never thought Hello was the IT song, though I like it. I would rather have seen something slower like ABMB or I also looove Still Haven't Found & The World I Know. I think once he decided on Hello he couldn't do the others. Oh well. I love most everything he does, like Paula says - I just want MORE more more... !!! I think we probably just have to be satisfied with our downloads for 4 more months.
Here's my other "crackpot" theory ... I've been listening to the podcast of the last KIIS visit with On-Air with Ryan Seacrest about a week before the tour, and he really seemed to be pushing "Hello" as THE breakout song. All he kept playing and talking about. I wonder if that kind of played a role - what others thought as the breakout. Personally I never thought Hello was the IT song, though I like it. I would rather have seen something slower like ABMB or I also looove Still Haven't Found & The World I Know. I think once he decided on Hello he couldn't do the others. Oh well. I love most everything he does, like Paula says - I just want MORE more more... !!! I think we probably just have to be satisfied with our downloads for 4 more months.
My first post here .. I agree. Although I love David's version of Hello and am glad it's on the tour set list, I would have loved to hear Still Haven't Found or The World I know also. Or Eleanor Rigby. I guess, yeah, more more more. His set list should have been ten songs
QUOTE (Scott @ Jul 5 2008, 12:19 AM)
I have a theory why David chose not to do "Always Be My Baby" on the tour. Simply, it's not a rock song. David is honing his image as an arena-rocking God right now. The true David as a performer is re-emerging. Except for TOML (which he is contractually obligated to sing, esp since it's charting well), all his other numbers are either classic or alternative rock in style (My Hero, IDWTMAT), or post grunge/Emo (Billy Jean, Hello).
I think David would be the first to agree that ABMB is an amazing cover and a fan favorite, that his studio version would be a big hit on the radio, and that someday he might release it. But right now he's got a hard rock album in the works so I think he really wants to stay in that zone. I think doing a "rock ballad" isn't the same thing as cutting a track like ABMB which, in his arrangement, almost skews country as much as pop. So that's my theory.
Btw, he kind of kicked TOML up to a rock song with the arrangement he's doing on the tour.
I think David would be the first to agree that ABMB is an amazing cover and a fan favorite, that his studio version would be a big hit on the radio, and that someday he might release it. But right now he's got a hard rock album in the works so I think he really wants to stay in that zone. I think doing a "rock ballad" isn't the same thing as cutting a track like ABMB which, in his arrangement, almost skews country as much as pop. So that's my theory.
Btw, he kind of kicked TOML up to a rock song with the arrangement he's doing on the tour.
That's one theory I would agree with, Scott.
Although Always Be My Baby proved to be a fan favorite, to include it in his studio album may be akin to fitting a square peg into a round hole.
As for his "set list" on Idol, they are like, say, a sign of progression for him. The songs in that set list reflect on how he had grown from strength to strength.
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