Call me crazy, but if DC doesn't do ABMB at all this tour...considered one of his top two performances all season...I'm guessing it's because the powers that be are going to put it on his album, or that it will be released on a future soundtrack, etc. The fact that Mariah has already signed off on this makes me think that just may be the case. It obviously would be an easy hit for him.

i think so too, but i don't think it's going to happen. that's just my opinion.

I think DC has enough original stuff that he doesn't need something like ABMB to be on his album... plus I don't think it meshes with the rock vibe. And he also seems to be against rehashing old stuff. Once this AI thing is over I think he's just going to cut it out of his life as much as possible and we won't be likely to see/hear any of his AI covers on his new album or new tour (except TOML, which is going to be on the album no matter what).

I agree he will have plenty of material, but record companies always have a say. And being he basically reinvented the song, and was so popular, it wouldn't surprise me. I already know that several songs from analog heart will be on it, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if this is too. Who knows though...hard to say!

As much as I'd love to have CD versions of his AI tracks (think studio version of First Time Ever), it's doubtful. He already has at least 7 new songs written for his CD plus whatever he was ready to release before AI that will work with the new songs . . . but DCfanKS is right - the record company will get its way in the end and who knows if they listen to what the fans want??

That's technically impossible as long as he stays with 19. I'm not so sure he wants to cut them out, anyway. He seems pretty happy with what they've given him: a chance to play to arenas of screaming fans, write with his hero, and put out a major-label album not on his own dime. Unless he totally bombs, he'll probably show up on AI once or twice next year, if they don't give him the sing-out as well (doing that for Daughtry really put him over the top).

ABMB didn't fit in with the set so it wasn't included. I'd say there's a fair chance it or Hello, which is receiving a lot of attention at these shows, could end up on a soundtrack at some point. It certainly wouldn't hurt him.

I have to say I enjoy these conspiracy theories a lot more than the applause-o-meter ones ranging in some quarters, but maybe that's just the tequila talking.

That could very well be! I Love "Hello" and would be stoked to see it be released someday..ala soundtrack or whatever!

Well, when I said "cut AI out of his life as much as possible" I meant "as much as possible." He can't really ever cut it out completely, at least not anytime in the next few years. But to say that he'd put any of his AI "greatest hits" on his album is kind of going against everything David is about. During AI he chose to do TWIK instead of reliving the glory of a well-liked song he already did. Considering that this is an album that he wants to remain relevent for years to come, I dont see him putting ABMB (or any of the AI covers) on the cd. I know the record company has a lot to say about what is on the album, but I think in the end they would understand that putting a song like ABMB might ruin his cred with any non-AI watching fans. But, thats just my opinion. I love a good pop song and ABMB is definitely one of my favorite DC covers, but I'd like to see as many originals on his album as possible. He's a great song writer and he doesn't need cover songs as filler (like so many artists do these days). Again, just my opinion!

I agree that it would not by the vibe he wants his first album to have.

i have to agree, i would LOVE for HELLO to be part of a soundtrack of some sort... as much as i love his version of ABMB, HELLO is the one that really stuck with me, i don't get tired of that song... and i've been playing it since Top 16 week on my ipod... i would squee like a total fangirl if i ever heard it on a movie

as far as including ABMB in the new album, i agree with you guys... he seems to be very reluctant when it comes to redoing old stuff. The guy's truly talented and i know he will hook us with his new songs as much as he did with our current favorite cook'ified covers

I started another thread related to this on the main All About David Cook forum... my theory about why ABMB is not on the tour. I probably should have started that thread in this subforum. I won't elaborate here since you can just go to that thread: http://www.david-cook.org/ABMB-Theory-t9243.html

But I will add that I don't think ABMB will be released anytime soon. Perhaps sometime after his first album. My theory is along the lines of David's rocker image and the type of vibe he wants on this tour.. which leads up to his new album... which he wants to be harder rock at this point. I elaborate in my other post.

It could be as simple as just deciding IDWAMAT fits with this set better. If anything if he was going to release ABMB singing it every night would be a way of putting it out there and promoting it.



Maybe you should stop visiting those quarters? The fanwar stuff obviously bothers you and gets you paranoid and by following what the Archie fans say or do you're just going to get more bothered *shrug* Last year the Blake fans were convinced he was going to be a mega star because he got insane screams every night. Someone should point that out to the Archie's, or shove the i-Tunes sales-o-meter in their faces

I think that he's going to be greatful to 19, bc it's them who are giving him the opportunity to play in front of thousands of people and make an album of great music.

I don't think that he's not grateful to 19 or AI or anyone involved in the show. Not wanting to put AI covers on his album doesn't make him ungrateful (and this is all speculation, because he just might WANT to, I just don't believe that he does). But what we do know is that he said that it was going to be a rock album, that they're doing a lot of writing and that he wants this cd to be relevent 10 years from now. To me that means he wants to do as many originals as possible that are in the rock genre. I think that both he and 19 recognize that putting songs he did on AI wouldn't necessarily fit what he should (in my opinion) and wants (just speculating) to do. That being said, this could turn out a million different ways and any way it happens it's likely I, and every single one of us, will love the crap out of it! So, I don't subscribe to any sort of "conspiracy" regarding his album, ABMB or any other song choice. I just think that it's an obvious answer... unless of course Mariah wants to duet with him. I don't see anyone turning her down.... but that might end up on one of her five million "Greatest Hits" cds and not his first album. Although that would be a great marketing tool, I think DC would be above that. JUST MY OPINION! Don't kill me.

I agree I don't think it would really fit with the album. However, a lot of artists usually have e slow song on their album. Then again, Time Of my Life might be that song, I guess we will just have to wait and see

David said he didn't want any covers on his album. He has received so many questions about putting out a shorter album of his covers, he said they may look into it, but no plans for now. Michael johns said they will be changing up their set lists later on the tour. ABMB may appear later, I just hope that it is not at the expense of "Hello" at least before I get to see/hear it live.

Well, I feel like that settles it.

Whatever he changes up, I'm hoping that it's IDWMAT that gets the axe. (Again, please don't kill me... only an opinion!)

Trina,

Have I told you how much I love you today? Seriously though, I do agree. Loudest screams at particular venues don't equal album sales. As you stated, Blake got tons of screams at the venues last year as did Taylor the year before, and we are now seeing that it means absolutely nothing. As far as the Archie, I agree with you. I see the reviews from some of the shows and I've even heard Rickey's cellcerts the last few nights too. Archie sounds fantastic on the audio, but the i-Tunes #'s don't lie. Some of his fans are really in denial about it I think and I tend to think also that the ones who have seen those #'s that this is why they spam those meaningless polls to try and prove a point. If DC can make an album that represents "him" with the rock sound he wants to achieve, then I think he has a good chance at winning over a lot of the male fans over to his side which can be beneficial for him. Of course as one of the particular posters over at mj loves to think that DC has no male fans and that Archie is more marketable, then I think he needs to think again. No, we don't know exactly how many, but that particular individual there, and I think you know who I am referring to, has not heard his interviews like some of us have. We may not know how many male fans he has, but we know they are out there. No, I know we don't have a crystal ball where we can see the futures of either David, but we can only hope for the best.

As far as ABMB, I don't think the song belongs on his CD. He wants a rock record and the song just won't fit the vibe and DC wants to move forward with his music and not backwards. I don't think the song will be on there either and honestly, I hope it isn't even though I do love it. This first album is so important because the sales of this CD will determine if he gets to make another one and if he does, he could gain even more creative control on it and honestly, I want this CD to represent who DC is as much as possible and I think that means leaving the AI covers off of it.

I certainly hope it isn't because he wants to do a rock CD and that isn't rock. I really don't want to see any covers on this new CD.

Jeannine

True that! My sentiments, exactly.

Since the element of surprize is so important in any production of anything, due to someone else beating the creator to the punch, and spoiling or copying the product, I have my doubts that David's first will be anything that any of TPTB(including David, himself) have suggested.

We have only to wait this one out and be happy when the album comes out, regardless of what may or may not be on it.

For what it's worth, IMO, David would NOT have won American Idol had he only done the likes of AH. We, his rock fans, would certainly have voted for him, but it took many more votes than just ours to get him to the top. His ability to cover pop songs is what put him where he is.

I believe he'll stick with that attitude for awhile. David is no dummy! He KNOWS his style isn't for everyone and he won't allow himself the luxury of putting stuff out that doesn't hit #1 for awhile. The funds have to be there for him to chance lesser sales and become the whole person that he wants to be.

Let's not forget that he did say he'd like and Emmy or an Oscar! So... maybe he'll sing ABMB in his first film! Imagine that! ( OK girls, pick yourselves up from the THUD and go about your lives, we have a while to wait )

Guys, I told you not to listen to the tequila talking.

I've heard the crappy cell reception, too, and read the reviews, and I would disagree that Archie is winning on the applause-o-meter scale, anyway. The consensus seems to be that it's either evenly distributed or that Cookie has the edge. <shrugs> Whatever. Didn't the tweens come out in force for Sanjaya, too? We all saw how that went. The tours seem to be going better than last year so we should be happy for all of them.

Logic works for me some days. Other days, not so much.

As far as male fans go, seriously. Who do you think they are going to go for, the guy's guy who sings loud rock music or the teenage balladeer? I think some people just have trouble with the concept of a rock star not being a $%#$#@! in reality.

I'm sure there will probably not be any covers on the album. However, plenty of artists perform songs in other venues that don't have anything to do with their actual albums, so the concept of one of the Idol cover tunes showing up in one of these places is not out of the realm of possibility.

I also don't think there are any conspiracy theories about the set list. My Hero may have been difficult to work in there because TPTB may have wanted him to do something more recent. Ramiele, Brooke, Jason, Syesha, and Archie are all doing songs from the very recent past. My Hero and IDWMAT are recognizable, but they had their time in the sun a while back. The Aerosmith song was likely chosen because it went over very well on the show and on ITunes and is very well-known. The audience knows how to sing along, probably more so than anything else.

just thought about this....
if album is out in november, that means the first single should be out, what october at the LATEST? what you guys think?

DC had said in the beginning the possibility of late September assuming everything went well with the writing and recording process. The last I heard him say on the first tour stop on Tuesday from what it sounded like that the writing process was almost finished and that they were getting ready to start recording tracks. He's talking about early to mid November for the CD release.

I've thought about that too! I would say probably around October 1st (give or take a week) for the single. That would be about 6 weeks before the album is released in mid-November. Could be as little as 4 weeks before (Coldplay's Viva La Vida was released 4 weeks before the album, just as a recent example). It would be the 2nd single (TOML being the first), and that's not unusual either. Again, Coldplay's Violet Hill was out a couple of months before Viva La Vida. So when the album debuts, there are already 2 hit singles and lots of buzz!
Does anyone think they may leave TOML off the new album, and just keep it as a separate single? That's not a common thing to do, but it's not unheard of. If it doesn't fit the vibe of the album, TPTB, including David, could make that decision. TOML has been described as the first single of the new album, but they don't HAVE to stick to that forumula. One good press release and media event with David would be all they need to explain their change in strategy.

I haven't heard anyone really describe it that way. It's a stand-alone single and his first "official" release, same as for the other Idols. Going way back to Kelly's first album, AMLT was on there but "Miss Independent" was officially the first single. I'm sure in less successful cases (ahem, JORDIN) the CS isn't referred to as the first single of the album even though it's always on there.

I've never followed Idol the way I did this year, but I hear in the past the winners ALWAYS closed their concert sets with the CS, but Cookie isn't doing it this year. Does that mean anything? Is it true?

Generally the CS is the first single off the winner's post AI debut album. If you look at Amazon.com, there are two listings for TOML, the single, and the as yet unnamed new album which they list as "new release (featuring 'The Time of My Life' 2008)" and they have a link for customers to pre-order the album. I'm not even sure if it worked this way in the first couple of seasons. Maybe someone else can weigh in.

Scott,

From what the description on Amazon is saying about the CD, it says that TOML will be on it. Taylor's single was bonus track but with Jordin, This Is My Now was on her CD and it looks like that will be the case with Cookie as well unless we are proved wrong later. haha

I'm still going to stick to their being no covers of his AI material on this record. I really think that isn't a good idea since David does after all want this to be a rock record. One of the things you want to be able to do as time moves on is to be able to remove the AI stigma from yourself even though you do appreciate what the show has done for your career and putting covers of those songs on the album won't help IMO. I wouldn't have a problem with the label releasing an EP with those songs on it all by itself though.

Pam- on the same wave length again, posting simultainously!!! I just wonder if they could remarket the new album without it. Never before has a hard rocker won AI so a pop CS has never really been an issue with the new record's vibe before.
EDIT:
And (as usual) I TOTALLY agree with you that they won't put any covers on it. I think David's made that pretty clear. I also agree with that decision. This needs to be mondo fresh. And it it were up to me, as much as I've grown to love TOML, I'd keep that off this album too.

Kristie,
I see you've liked my banner and are using it!!!
Very good choice !
David is so cute in this photo !
Kisses from Brazil...

Yeah, I would keep TOML off of the album too but I'll take it however I get it. LOL I know some of you are either lurkers or posters at mj's blog. One of the things mj herself and others have stated in so many words is that for David to bring in more males to the fanbase is for him to have the rock vibe to the album because just those of us who are females here and some others won't be enough to keep the sales afloat. He needs a rock record that will be accepted in the mainstream and will also represent who he is an an artist. I think that is what he is trying to achieve at this point and if he can get somewhere close to that, then I think the album's chances of doing well could be very good.

I don't think ABMB would fit on his new CD, and he wants that to be cohesive.

But I really think he/they should issue a CD or EP with studio versions of his best AI performances. Just like what all of us made for ourselves and have listened to hundreds of times (but minus Analog Heart).

There are probably millions of fans who loved him but weren't savvy enough to buy the music from iTunes or search out fan sites.

It would sell well and they should issue it NOW, during the tour. Then it wouldn't be competition for his new album.

stupid question h ere ... by TPTB - do you mean the powers that be? seen it a lot lately and didnt know!

past idols the single has been on the album, but you know dave is shaking everything up, they may be different with him...


re: covers, you know dave is all about progression and evolution, i dont think he will be looking back....

Agreed.

Yes, The Powers That Be. Took me a few posts to figure that one out (lol!)
I also agree with the progression thing. Maybe once the new album has been out a while... but I really think the past is the past. If David was going the traditional pop route, it would have been great to keep his downloads available until the midpoint of the tour, and watch him dominate the charts all summer, but I agree with what Pam08 and others have said... clean slate, rock vibe, put AI stigma to rest as best as possible and move on. The anticipation of his new record will be amazing... we'll be absolutely STARVED for it!

I agree there won't be any AI covers on the new album. I would hope that David is thinking in terms of an album being a cohesive group of songs that tell a story or have some sort of connection to each other. Not just 10 songs that sound good. It would be interesting to see if they can get TOML to fit into that "vibe" (to borrow David's term). I hadn't thought about the possibility of them leaving it off altogether, but if it doesn't fit, then why not?

As far as male fans go, I can only offer up an anecdotal story from experience... Hadn't played AH for hubby yet, I was a little bit nervous to see a male non-idol-fan's reaction to DC, and I didn't really want to expose the depth of my obsession... Anyway, we went away for the weekend so I had my opportunity -- played AH in the car ride twice (once going and once coming back). I casually asked his opinion, he said he really liked AH, he thought it was good, and agreed with me when I asked if he thought Cookie had the potential to be as big as Daughtry. (LOL notice how subtle I was trying to be?)

Then when we were almost home I popped in the AI CD and played a few highlights... he said he liked his original stuff a whole lot more than the AI covers. So if one person is any indication, David will do a whole lot better with his own material than just having to rely on covers.