I just read this at pulse. I wonder if Cookie is going to release a single soon?

http://pulsemusic.proboards48.com/index.cg...mp;thread=62035

Seems a little early for a mid-November release. And just a week or so ago (in LA?), he said they were "just about ready to start tracking" . . . didn't seem to indicate that anything was locked and loaded. Usually, before the first single is selected, the entire album is delivered to label.

Folks who work in radio, what'd you think?

Wasn't that topic about Archie?

Yes is was, but I was just wondering since he is releasing a single so soon if maybe David was too. Anyone know?

I can't get on MJ's, but I heard on there a few weeks ago that this was registered with ASCAP.

This kind of worries me, and I'd like some feedback here from industry folks.

It has been speculated that David Cook will not get a single released before his album drops. I just would like to know right now. Is there any actual logic behind this speculation, or any real facts to suggest that this may be the case? I just don't see RCA putting this CD out there without having a real song to promote it beforehand, and it really worries me that some of the industry people seem to think that they will actually *do* this, even though it's never been done before, as far as I can recall, with anyone except Taylor.

It kind of bothers me that the spins have dropped (allegedly) for TOML, too: I have briefly wondered if there is something going on with the record company or if it was just normal for the song to die after a while.

Because if Archie is getting a single of his own before the album and Cook isn't . . . well, you can see where THAT train of thought leads. Perhaps I've said too much.

I just want to know if there's any real reason why people think Cook won't get a pre-release single, if there's any real industry info out there that suggests this.

I did hear a long time ago that it was planned for Archie to get a single during the summer all along. So maybe this is a stand-alone thing.

Album without single (for airplay and to motivate sales) makes no sense. That sounds highly suspicious to me, and from a business/marketing position, it is downright baffling.

I would also presume that the rules that have always applied re: winner-first-then-runner-up would apply to our David and Archie. It would be silly of TPTB to mess with that now.

jmo.

Ahhh.. now I get ya!

It seems far too early to me. They're not even halfway through the tour and already talk of singles being released... hmmm!!!

When I say "industry people", I am talking about posters on here who have educated themselves on Mediabase and such topics. Many of them seem to think that Cook will not get a single before the album and I have no idea why this train of thought is going around, especially since Cook said a single would be out by September. I just wondered if there was any logic or evidence behind that idea, besides the fact that it happened that way for Taylor. Cook himself has said he expects a single out by September, but people still continue to speculate that he won't get one. Why?

I think this may have been planned early on as a way of getting Archie his own single. Whether you see it as a run-around of the AI title or not depends on how paranoid you are, I guess. If there were not so many people who thought that Cook was not getting one, too, I wouldn't care. Archie can rock Radio Disney or the Josh Groban crowd to his heart's content and Cookie can rock the actual rock stations a few weeks later. The "Cookie isn't getting another single" theory is the only thing that bothers me about it, really.

Oh you must have seen that post at mj's about the 11/4 album release for Archie too. IMO, that won't stick as mj said. Last year Blake's CD release date got moved twice. When Jordin's release got scheduled for 11/20 then his was moved to 11/27 and finally to 12/4 because of vocal cord problems similar to what Jordin experienced that caused the delay with her joining Alicia keys for their joint tour. It is usually customary for the winner to release an album BEFORE the runnerup. Remember that Kristy Lee's new single is coming out next month too. I'm thinking her CD will be released before either of the Davids. During season 5, there were tons of the release dates for the Idols that received Sony/BMG contracts that were moved around dozens of times. Pickler's CD was the first to be released that year and then Daughtry 3 weeks later. I don't really have a problem if Kristy's is released before the David's but I do have a problem if Archie's CD is released before Cookie's but not a problem with Archie himself. They do in all honesty need to get a single out for Archie is soon as possible before the tweens move on to something else because they will. Remember, when Archie came in 2nd, he didn't get a single and neither did Blake last year.

It was said sometime ago that Archie would get a single released this summer so really this news isn't new. Cookie had been talking about releasing a single sometime around late September if everything went smoothly with the recording process. I haven't heard anything about a new single for him yet and I don't think anyone else has either but my main concern is like a lot of people. Let's see a new single come out before the CD is released and not afterwards. Joridn's first single Tattoo was released during the AI tour last year and before her CD was released but the reason for that was because we didn't get any official label news on her until August 17th last year which was almost 3 months after the finale ended and then 10 days later on the 27th, Tattoo was released. I think the tour will be over before we get a new single for Cookie and as mj stated even if he gets a new single while the tour is in progress, he won't be singing it as part of his set.

As far as Industry speculation about the single, I would love to know where this is being "speculated" because if this indeed does turn out to be true, which I highly doubt, then it means Cookie is being thrown under the bus but I highly doubt this is the case but I won't say this doesn't concern me because a lot of the fans are really concerned about this.

Oh and as far as TOML goes, at least this song has gotten some decent chart action and has sold quite well on i-Tunes. This Is My Now went off the airways last year almost as quickly as it was released. It completely flopped in every sense of the word.

Oh, MJ has a post about Archie's single on her blog. Here is what she said in that new thread she just put up about Archie's single in releation to the CD and she's right:



In other words, that date isn't official.

i don't believe Archie's album will be out on that date and will be out before Cook's.
as for the single there will be one, i'm sure. but maybe in September and not August.
Honestly, I believe the label will promote him the right way, so I'm not that worried about that. The news about the Sketches endorsment made me even more optimistic about it.

TOML is till doing good, for the person talking about it.

TOML has done darn good for a CS especially in terms of downloads. I agree that there probably won't be a new single till September either. One thing to remember too is that the date they are talking about here for Archie is the "impact" date which in reality is the official release date but if they don't release the song before that (impact) date then it won't have a chance to gain beneficial spins before that date hits. This is what happened to Blake's 2nd single How Many Words. I'm not saying that song won't be successful. I don't mean that but it does look like Jive would release the song ahead of the impact date. I would love to be able to keep a lookout for this song to see when it shows up on Mediabase but the Mediabase links don't want to work for any of us anymore and that irritates me to no end! LOL

Another thing to remember is that he won't be singing this song on the tour and the same would apply to Cookie if he got a new single at this point. The setlist is not likely to change at this point.

Wow, it seems like this comment was meant for me. Rest assured, li'l sparrow, I am educated. I actually have my degree in radio broadcasting and spent a handful of years in the game before jumping out for more fulfilling career prospects. I also have fam in the music biz. So, thanks.

Pam, I think I'm staying away from MJ's to slow down my paranoia. The site just started working for me a few minutes ago. Mmmm, did I really want to know that Archie has a release date and Cook doesn't? OTOH, they are actually going to R & B the whitest boy this side of the Osmond family? Interesting. I guess we know what Archie's genre is, though.

I guess I shouldn't worry because all of this stuff is coming out about Cookie's album, too, and he's getting lots of positive press about it. I just can't shake all the time spent on the scary boards with the crazies who are convinced that every detail means that Archie was truly TCO and 19 doesn't care about Cook. (Man, do I wish I had never heard of the concept of TCO. Makes this obsession ten times less fun, that's for sure).



Pam (again) is there any actual evidence that they won't let Cookie have a pre-release single before his album drops? It makes no sense to me that they would just put the CD out there and not have a song to promote it. I just think this theory is strange, regardless of what Archie's people have planned for him.

I do think this single has been planned for Archie for a long time, independent of release dates, press releases, and Amazon pre-orders. Did Blake get an album release date before Jordin last year, too? Just curious.

It does worry me a bit that Archie seems to have teams of industry people working for him and Cookie has one-on-one partnerships with well-respected '90s alt-rock hitmakers. OTOH, a lot of the same people have talked about working with Cook and we don't know if they are yet or not.

One thing's for certain: I don't think the fanwars are going to die any time soon. Nor is that paranoia, at least on my part.

ETA: Blake, that comment was totally not about you. Sorry. It was directed towards the people who are speculating Cook won't get a single before the album for some reason. Apparently, it's as baffling to you as it is to me.

Oh, so we may get this single before August 11th? That's what happened with TOML, too, IIRC: it had been out 2 weeks before it had an actual impact date.

Dude, I am totally not prepared for R & B Archie yet. But it does kind of reinforce my theory that this is almost totally separate from the album and has been planned for eons.

I will say right now that this bothers me. If Kristy and Archie are releasing "real" singles first, then odds are very good that their albums will be released first as well. And, yes, if this is true, then Cookie is being thrown under the bus and I have absolutely no idea why.
His coronation song has sold better than any CS since season 2 (and is still in the itunes top 50). He has gotten more airplay than any winner since Kelly. He has a very commercial look and sound (it's not as if he sings old soul music and has gray hair). He also signed with 19's management instead of going elsewhere.
I honestly believed that Taylor Hicks got treated so badly because he simply was not commercial. Now, I wonder. Perhaps the winner is determined long before Ryan says, "The winner is...." David Cook did not know the AI producers for years, he did not have a previous contract with a Sony label and it would appear that he is now being punished for daring to come from nowhere and win this damn thing. So....what did he win? Unless something changes VERY SOON, I would say he got free shoes from Skechers to wear when they back over him with the semi.

One thing you need to remember is that Kristy is country and Archie is going the pop route which means these are 2 separate genres and so IMO this really doesn't matter. Basically, these 2 won't be competing against each other because of that factor alone.

I'm sorry but your theory is just speculation and there is nothing to back it up. That is just ridiculous if you ask me. I think Cookie has been treated very well by RCA if you ask me. Look how well TOML has done when you consider this is the winning song. Most of these songs flop almost immediately upon release. From what was said not too long ago, he was getting ready in the next week or so to go into the studio to start laying down some tracks so apparently, he isn't ready to release a single yet. Remember he is on the AI tour after all he is running around in a 100 different directions trying to tour and write and record on his days off. This kind of schedule is very demanding.

Hey, *I'm* supposed to be the paranoid one.

Truthfully, I think there may be some oneupmanship going on here. It's not surprising that this comes *one day* after Cookie does a bunch of press touting the great songwriters he is involved with and his long-term Sketchers deal is announced. If he's going to be the face of a major marketing campaign for the next year, it is very unlikely there is actual bus-throwing going on here, because they are going to be stuck with him. I'm no expert, but "global endorsement deal" is a lot more than some free sneakers. The whole thing sounds extremely long-term and very public.

This is getting too much like the scary boards. We need some sane people to talk us down here!

I don't believe he's being thrown under the bus, the powers that be have to make money off Archie too, they have a big investment in both of them. I really think that Archie's people are more up front with the information. I think I read a blog from his Dad over at pulse that may have been posted on his board. I think that our David is more coy with his answers about what's going on with the CD, maybe because of his unfortunate encounter with the press with regard to his personal life. We don't know what is going on behind the scenes.

Our David is the kind of guy that keeps things more close to vest as it were. As far as this album or the single goes, he's not going to give out info about either without RCA's blessing. I do find it odd as I said before that they aren't giving out an a release date before the date mentioned so that the song could gain some beneficial spins before that date hits. You are right, it is in the best interest of the AI franchise that Archie is looked after because they do intend to make money off of him too.

To try to inject a little sanity into this discussion, I would like to point out that RCA put out huge Mediabase ads for TOML and most likely even injected payola into the scale to keep the DLs coming. Payola is still a concept I am learning about but the kind of airplay Cook has gotten doesn't come out of nowhere.

If they really hated him, why would they bother with payola?

As far as the Sketchers deal, David is the first male winner to be offered an endorsement deal like this. He would have been crazy to have turned that down (no offense Cookie cause I know you are smart ) and it puts money in his pocket right now which is a good thing. That Sketchers deal is an international thing which is nothing to sneeze at along with the fact the deal lasts until late next year. It's not too shabby if you ask me.

I'm sure the machine at 19 wants to make as much money as they can off of as many contestants as they can. I certainly wouldn't be concerned about any of it. I am glad David is not rushing this CD. I am looking forward to a quality product and am just fine with waiting. Let the others rush something out if they can. Remember that they are all touring as well and their lives are also very hectic at this point.

Jeannine

Exactly. I wouldn't be in any of their shoes for anything. I can't image how hectic it must be for them but for the most part, all of them seem to be handling things quite well.

First of all, I would be highly suspicious of anyone who claims to know that DCs new album will not have a single released before the album drops. Only a handful of people truly know if this is the case and I don't think any of them are saying any thing to this effect. Plus it would be incredibly stupid for all parties involved to not release a single beforehand.

Secondly, who cares when Archie or Kristy Lee Cook's albums are being released. Does this in anyway impact how well DCs album will do? I don't think Archie--or anyone else for that matter--is going to steal David's thunder by releasing his album first. Sure, he may get some press when it first comes out but I still believe David Cook will draw much more media attention when his album is released--look at how much media attention he has already gotten. We need to remember that now that Cook has been declared the winner of AI Season 7, the competition is over. There's no need to keep the fanwars going by constantly comparing and contrasting everything Cook is doing relative to what Archie is doing. Both David and Archie can be successful in their own right, and Archie's success should in no way detract from David's success.

Lastly, I don't think you have to worry about David being thrown under the bus. Remember when DC had 11 new titles debuting on Hot 100 chart just shy of breaking the record set by The Beatles? I can assure you that it didn't go unnoticed at RCA/19. As mentioned before, 19 Entertainment wants to make as much money as possible from as many Idol contestants as possible. So we shouldn't be alarmed when we see them investing in the careers of other contestants. To be quite honest, DC is fully capable of releasing his next album with little or no help from RCA/19 (he's proven that with Analog Heart), so it should come as no surprise that some of the other contestants appear to be getting more help and/or attention from the powers at be.

I must admit all this talk, about him getting thrown under the bus, has taken away some of the joy of being a DC fan and him having win AI. I don't think he will overlooked. That just doesn't make sense, especially with the majority of his press being so positive, but since Archie seems to have been the favored one, one can't help but worry. As far as promotion, he will have to get good promotion. My logic tells me that if he puts out a good product, that the public likes,(according to many reviews Blake Lewis put out a great CD, but the public response was luke warm) he will be just fine. Archie's are paranoid too. They are a little iffy about the title to the song. The truth is David Cook has done very well in iTunes downloads, and when Analog Heart was up it sold well, and was well recieved. I am sure that the record company knows this. TOML has also done well, so they can take their time to choose a single. He has made them money, and shows he has potential to make them a lot more money. It just doesn't make sense that they would overlook him in any way. Logic dictates this, but emotion and paranoia( no fun at all) get in the way.

It could be worse.

We could be Dreadheads. Jason's got the most bitchin' MySpace of them all and still no sign of a deal.

It doesn't matter anymore if Archie was the favored one or not, he didn't win, Cook did. This discussion about Archie being TCO may have been true but the competition is over! END OF STORY! UGH!

I guess I need to show everyone the link to the RCA page and maybe all the paranoia will go away.

http://www.rcarecords.com/

Look who the featured artist is. Ok, rant over. This thread needs to be seriously locked! I knew when that came up about Archie's single that it would send some of the fans in a panic, but honestly it shouldn't have. TOML is the single right now and that's all there is to it. It could be worse, he could have come in 2nd like Archie did and not had a single at all when the show ended.

I'm sorry if that came off as harsh but we really have to reason to panic at all. David isn't panicking so why should we?

Can we please get things back to the way they were today before all this came out about Archie because if not, I will take a break from these boards for a bit.

Pam - I am with you. I really took alot of these posting to heart tonight. I shouldn't but some of the dialogue tonight really bothered me.

Everyone just has to allow all this to go through the process.

Believe me, I understand, I really do. Go look at how loopy some of the fans at mj's are in that thread about Archie's single. Some of them think something "foul" is going on with Archie's single coming out now. Don't they realize that with him being the runner up that he didn't get a single. Did they forget that?

Here is the thread if you want to see for yourself:

http://mjsbigblog.com/david-archuleta-firs...s-in-august.htm

This female poster in that thread says that if Archie's album comes out before Cookie's then something is definitely up. I look at it this way, if November rolls around and Cookie is still trying to work really hard to make an album he is satisfied with and if that would be what would cause Archie to release his first, then I'm ok with that. Some of the fans need to grow up! lol

19 is also making money off of the Skechers deal, not just Cookie.
These are facts: David Cook had the biggest opening week single sales numbers of anyone from AI since Clay Aiken. David Cook, in 7 weeks, has outsold the total of 3 previous winners' CS and he's not done yet. David Cook has gotten more radio airplay with his CS than any winner except Kelly and he's not done yet. David Cook's CS is still on the Hot 100 after 7 weeks, and, in so doing, has lasted on that chart longer than 3 previous winners and he's not done yet. David Cook has acted humbly and like a gentleman in all of his post-Idol press. David Cook won American Idol by the largest margin of any winner in AI history. David Cook broke Billboard records with his debuts, his original charting position on HAC and how quickly he moved up the AC chart.
These are also facts: In seasons 1, 3, 4 and 6, the winners released their albums first - that was supposed to be part of the deal of winning. In seasons 2 and 5, someone other than the winner got to release first (but in both of those cases it was understandable because the winners had been outsold immediately after winning - that is not the case this year). Now, it would appear that TPTB are creating an eerie remake of Season 5 - releasing first, in the role of Kellie Pickler is Kristy Lee Cook. Releasing second, in an admittedly odd casting move, in the role of Chris Daughtry is David Archuleta. Next to release, in another odd bit of casting, in the role of Taylor Hicks is David Cook. The only difference is that there is no one to play Katharine McPhee, at least not yet. Oddly enough, though, in season 5, when Kellie and Chris released first, the runner up still released after the winner, leaving season 2 as the only one where the runner up released first, until now. I thought that was because Taylor and Katharine had signed with management other than 19 but apparently there were other things at work.
Last year, when Blake's album got pushed back to December and Z100 never played his single, I said "This is not good. Blake is getting screwed." Many Blakers did not want to believe me (I didn't want to believe me) but......
Now, I am not all out saying that David is getting screwed over or that RCA has done wrong by him (I don't think they have) but I am saying that there appears to be an effort being made to make David less successful than Archie. I don't think they want to ruin Cookie or destroy his career entirely; they just seem to want to knock him down a peg or two and put on top the one that they chose before anyone ever opened their mouths to sing during the competition.
Tell me honestly: Would you have voted for Cookie to win if you knew he would be saddled with TOML, if you knew that there was a strong possibility that he would not get another single before his album was released despite the truly awesome performance of his CS, if you knew that instead of getting to release his album first as the winner he would have to release after the seventh place finisher and the runner up? I don't think that I would have. I voted like mad for him on finale night because I saw how Jordin and Blake were treated last year (and most other winners and runners-up). But, then again, it was rumored that Jordin had been a hand picked winner (not unlike Archie this year, though towards the end of the season it really looked like Cookie had become TCO - I guess TPTB don't change their minds mid-season - they may have really just wanted Archie all along).
Truly, this is baffling to me. Cookie has done everything right from day one and is certainly the most commercial male winner in AI history. I have no idea why they are doing this to him. Nothing is certain and I obviously hope that something changes ( I have my caution light on, not my stop light just yet). But something is most definitely not right in AI land right about now.

That is not based on fact but just plain paranoia. I will seriously leave this board if this doesn't stop. Have you forgotten that Z100 played TOML and many times I may add. If that isn't a sign of label support, I don't know what is!

I think because of the kind of music Blake made that TPTB didn't quite know what direction to send him in. I'm not saying he wasn't wronged, but the album was not mainstream or radio friendly. Neither Kat nor Taylor were marketable but Daughtry was and he didn't win. Comparing David to either of those folks you mentioned is pointless. Comparing him to Kat is like apples to oranges. 2 totally different people and 2 totally different genres. End of story!

Okay, this is officially way out of control. If I am the sane one things are really bad.




We don't know that any of that stuff is going to happen.

It's not all about conspiracy theories and winning. I think that gets past us sometimes. It's not all about finding a pattern in every single detail. Sometimes it's about just enjoying the music.

Jason Castro doesn't have a record deal. Brooke doesn't have one. MJ, my second favorite, doesn't have one, either. Am I sorry I DL'ed their songs or voted for them? Am I sorry that I have multiple MP3s of their live performaces? NO! Why? Because I like them and am interested in their music.

We will drive ourselves crazy if we keep going on like this.

I'm with you Pam. People need to relax and chill about who's single and/or album will come out first. As I said earlier, the competition is now over so can we please stop acting as if David is competing with Archie to release a new single/album first. If memory serves me correct, Leona Lewis waited over a year to release her first album after winning X Factor, and I think we can all agree she's doing okay. It's not always about who can release an album first.

I sure am not the one who is going to be the savior of this thread, but none of us are going to know the outcome of any of this until the time comes.

I wish we would stop speculating and continue enjoying the good that David is going and the successes he has had thus far. When David and his management company feel that it is time to promote the drop a new single, new CD, I am sure that we will be one of the first to hear about it. Until then, let's just enjoy this journey.

This thread is REALLY making my head hurt. I'm not an Archie fan at ALL so obviously I'm not crazy about him getting a summer single, but at the same time I'm not convinced Cookie is getting thrown under the bus. The over the top claims here and MJ's saying he's the next Taylor is ridiculous when there isn't much to go by but obviously some people are set in the most negative state of mind and nothing will change that. Where did all this talk about him getting a single after the CD release date come from? There has been no concrete talk of any kind and even some on boards who claim to be industry experts don't know such a thing, unless it comes directly from David's mouth himself. If 19 prepared to completely screw him they wouldn't have let him take on the Skechers deal, which is an even longer deal than Carrie got, she eventually got extended - and yes 19 can flatout refuse major deals like that. They rejected several endorsement deals for Clay back in season 2.

Let me say something about this Skechers deal just to add some perspective. This is something 19 is going to make a chunk of money off of as David's managers, but it will also serve ad CD promotion because the billboards and posters advertise the CD. They did this for both Carrie and Ashlee Simpson, if the campaign is launching in conjunction with the CD release, it will definitely be a major marketing tool.

Jive seems to operate on a different level than the labels like RCA and Arists which are under the RCA music group, Jive is under Zomba. Jordin got Tattoo released last summer, but This Is My Now faded extremely quickly. She got zero airplay. It may very well be RCA intended to push TOML a little through the summer to give it some airplay and keep him visible on the radio. Since he planned on doing lots of writing which would take up time, pushing TOML puts him on the radio and helps get his foot in the airplay door. The fact that it went for adds on CHR/Pop shows some effort came from the label, because a coronation song has never gone for adds.




Pam, let's be honest here, I don't think it applies this time around, but if you ever watched the show during season 5 you know darn well that whether you win or not it means nothing if you a) weren't the chosen one or the producers simply didn't like you. Trust me, they hated Taylor and his approach to everything during his recording didn't help him.

BTW for the smug Archie fans making cracks about "crushing" the competition and the irony of the single title, you may want to remind them that he sure didn't crush the competition 5/21.


David got I'd say a good 50 spins or so on Z100 already and Z100 doesn't just put anything on their playlist, there's a huge difference between him and Blake already. If Z100 was willing to add a song that so many view as something terribly cheesy I'll be shocked if they don't play his next single. RCA may have even already worked something out with them when they put TOML into rotation.

Wanting to be concerned? Absolutely? But I'm sorry, it's completely ridiculous to bury someones career and call it dead at this point in the game. I do fear too much of this over and over will push people off the boards.

Much ado about nothing. I think that it sounds like people are looking for something to fret about.

Jeannine

1st off the picture with Archie and the fedora is really sweet. This is why I don't go over to the other sites, I have registered for a couple of them, but I have not touched them because I am sure they would make me more upset then I am currently.

Trina, thank you for the sanity. I know I am paranoid, but sanity is our friend.



I didn't watch season 5 but I never exactly got the impression during the season that TPTB did not see David Cook as a huge asset to them. He got plenty of promotion, praising, and pimping during the season and he has gotten quite a lot of the same kind of attention after his win.

And have we forgotten that just yesterday Cookie gave 2 interviews talking about his album and his myriad co-writers? One mention in EW was widely distributed across the Web and is in the print magazine. Suddenly Ed Roland, Jason Wade, Raine Maida, the Goo Goo Dolls guy, and Hinder fell in Cookie's lap within a month? (To say nothing of Ryan Tedder/Jesse McCartney and Diane Warren, who have been discussed but are not favored). Doesn't anyone here think the 19/RCA might have had a bit to do with hooking Cook up with these people?

So where do the fans come to play in this? Do the number that he came out with on iTunes not matter? He seems to have a tremendous fanbase. I guess what I am trying to say is if he has such a strong following, and his cd ends up being a good one...why would the record company that is paying him good money not promote him? It just doesn't make sense to me. Why would they not want to make the most money off of him? I didn't follow Taylor Hicks , but I remember seeing him as the winner and thinking, really? Cute, sings ok...but the idol? Did Taylor have a large fan base? I didn't follow him so I don't know. This is the last time I venture to the pre-album discussion thread. I will go back to the lighter threads in this forum, that by the way has over 10.5 million hits...I guess that doesn't transfer into potential cd sales ...who knew.

A long-term endorsement deal, payola for his single, and being featured on the front page on the company website *is* promoting him. Do not believe everything conspiracy theorists claim.

There's no indication so far that RCA is not rolling out the big guns for him.

I'll say what I said that got me banned from the scary boards. There is no reason to give up just because a lot of people are panicked that the other guy has it in the bag.

That said, I am a lot more freaked than I was earlier today, and I am contemplating e-mailing RCA and asking them to please do what they can to give us some release date news, if only to stem the din of the fanwars.

Much ado about nothing indeed! I don't know who or why anyone is stirring up all this paranoia, but it needs to stop. Unless you happen to be fan of both Cook and Archie, which I am not, I don't understand why you would be concerned about what Archie is doing with his album. If there were any indications that 19/RCA were neglecting David Cook in any way, then we would have reason to be concerned, but there are no signs of that happening. And to say that 19 Entertainment wants Archie to succeed more than Cook is ludicrous. They want them both to succeed and there's no reason they both can't.

Only my second post on this board, but FWIW, here's my 2-cents.

I'm not sure releasing a single during the tour is the smartest move. Wny? Promotion seems to be problematic. Yes, people who are already fans will know about a release, but the 'big guns' for promotion in the general public seem (to me) to be the late night and early morning shows. Although I suppose it's possible to get some in there, it just seems a better route to get the tour out of the way and free up time for a more orchestrated campaign.

Combining a single release with the Skechers debut, plus a round of talk shows seems like a decent strategy. So, if the Skechers is starting in the fall and someone (David himself, maybe?) said Sept/Oct for a single release, it all makes sense - at least to me *LOL*

Going back to my more comfortable lurking mode now...

I agree, particularly with the bolded part.
After Leona Lewis won the UK X factor, in December 2006, the runner-up and the 3rd finisher both released a quick Mother's day album in March 2007. The runner-up went platinum but is now dropped by the label, the third finisher went gold and is recording a second album, but has only niche appeal.
Leona's album was released in the UK the following October, and immediately became the incredible success that we know. Her success is due to the right promotion, but I think even more due to the album content. Her single Bleeding Love is not my cup of tea but it is very catchy and has wide commercial appeal.

David is trying to strike the right balance between quality and commercial appeal in his album.
If he is successful, the album will speak for itself and will be a major hit. Considering what we seen from him so far, there is no reason to believe that it won't be.

Good Point - And in the Skechers announcement it does talk about the link between the Marketing Campaign starting in the Fall with the launch of David's CD - so if the single will be released Sept/Oct T-Frame this is the same time that the Campaign will launch and his CD is targeted for Mid/Late November t-frame.

Time line makes sense to me.

It agree, it is definitely a clue that there will be a major campaign behind the CD release.
Quoting the article:

At this point in the game, I must say that makes perfect sense to me as well.



Trina,

I saw those comments when the thread was first put up and I thought, how juvenile because they actually think a competition is still going on. How ridiculous! LOL No, I wasn't exactly over the moon about Archie getting a single now, but if we are talking about a November release for him, he's going to be on the tour till 9/13 and will have no way to promote it till the tour ends. I don't see that as being good for Archie but what do I know about the biz? LOL

Wow even when you take a break from here it's so much fun to see the SAME exact word for hand wringing David=Taylor post on other boards too. Maybe an internet break is the best option.

One more thing I'm gonna say, the recording studio picture that's on the EW site is also in the print issue of EW and the blurb is in a section giving a first look at "Hollywood's Biggest Projects". TPTB sanction these things and are usually the ones to go to the media to start ramping up early buzz. RCA and/or 19 are probably who supplied the photo or allowed them in the studio. Daughtry had something similar in EW and closer to his release date they also did something similar in TV Guide.

Whoah nelly!!! We need to take a minute just to breathe here!

Will David have another single out before the album release? Dunno...I'd hope so! But the fact that Archie and Kristy will have singles out (or albums) before David's album release doesn't matter at all. Let's not get too worked up about this and let's defintely not turn into Claymates bombarding RCA with questions. Just enjoy the ride...
Buy his records, request play on radio, buy tickets to his concerts, and turn out en-masse to support him...enjoy it!!!

He's WRITING his album...something that sets him apart from the other Idol artists...definitely something worth waiting for.

Another great post, and a logical one! I've been saying that they're doing a seemingly GREAT job with DC's strategic marketing. An August (i.e. summer) release date is very risky, especially in the rock genre. October for the single is perfect. The tour will have just ended, the talk shows are back in production after summer reruns, as is SNL. Then in November, DC will have the advantage of a Black Friday/Holiday shopping period for the album release. THIS IS ALL GOOD!

Good point Scott. Wouldn't it be awesome to see Cook not only perform on SNL but also be featured in a couple of the skits. His stint on Best Week Ever proves he can do comedy very well.

That's exactly what I was thinking!