Just a question

I just read on mj's blog that David Archuleta and Kristy Lee Cook will released their first singles mid august.

Do you think there is a chance that David will have a second single other than TOL out before the album ?

Have other idol a second single released other than the coronation song ?

I'm sure once the album gets really close to completion, a single from that album will be released. We can hope for a late September/October release if the album is released in November like they hope. It seems a little fast for both David A and Kristy to release a single so quickly, I would think they'd have to go through the same process. Maybe their labels have a different plan.

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David will probably have a single from the album released a bit before the actual album comes out. That's generally how it goes.
By releasing a single, it helps promote the CD and increases sales.
But I dunno why Kristy's single would be released first. Didn't she get signed to 19E?
As for Archie, I dunno why for his either. I heard somewhere he was working on his album though.
And Jason said something about starting work on his??

i read on the other article that both Davids are working with RCA/19 records but Cook will be the first one to have it released.

Archie is not working with RCA. He's with J if I'm not mistaken.

I see you guys totally missed the fangirl panic on the other threads.

Archie is signed to 19/J. Yes, he will have a single in August. So will KLC.

Cookie will likely have another single out before November. There is no proof he will not, despite what you may read in other places.

No one else from season 7 has a record deal at this point.

No one knows whose record will be released first.

At first, I was kinda ticked about this. But come to think of it, I'd rather have DC take his time with the writing process and actual recording of his album than put out something that sounds rushed.

Yep I read that KLS albums is already done
no idea how that happened except to assume they already had a bunch of songs for her to sing . I had not heard about Archie's yet though so no clue but they are all signed with 19, just different devisions of it , DC RCA, DA is Jive and KLC is nashville ..

Sue

Yeah I had heard at Rickey.org last night that KLC's record was already done and that totally threw me. It seemed to happen so fast for her. And as for Archie, yeah, I also heard that his record apparently has a set date for November 4th I think. As much as I want something new from Cook, I don't mind waiting for him to make sure his record comes out the way he wants it to be by taking his time with it.

wow already done? Thats really fast...which isn't good. I never really liked her so i won't be listening to it. Anyways yeah i would rather DC took his time cause if its rushed the album won't be that great.

There are 2 similar threads being discussed in the Pre-Album Forum I've linked to below although the level of panic and paranoia is considerably higher over there than it is here.

To sum up how I feel, I don't think it really matters when the other contestants are are releasing their singles/albums. What matters is how good the final product is regardless of when it is released. And with Cook I don't think we have anything to worry about when it comes to quality.

http://www.david-cook.org/Single-release-t9943.html
http://www.david-cook.org/Since-We-Have-So...ngle-t9959.html

DA and KLC appeal to different demographics than DC.

I never watched AI before this season, so I dunno what the standard protocol has been or sequence for previous winners vs non winners.

KLC doesn't phase me at all because she is straight on country. Obvs some KLC fans will like DC and vice versa, but the promo and marketing will be very specific to country market.

DA is curious. I'm not hatin' on the guy or anything, but here's the thing. He lost. Is it normal for his single to hit before the winner? Is it normal for both DC and DA to release their album at the same time?

Seems like DA keeps riding DC coattails. DA is true pop, but lots of his fans like DC. DC is rock, but he has some mainstream pop crossover appeal. While KLC is a totally different path, I don't want the media - talk shows and print and such - muddied with both Davids at the same time.

Right after the AI finale - that was fine they were doubled up on some shows and stuff. But DC is his own man and he won so he should get the public's undivided attention, y/y?

< Shrugs > I won't be buying DA material and I'll buy DC regardless, just pondering that I think it is a bit weird that DA - who lost - seems to be treated like a co-winner and not a 2nd placer. 12 million votes says he was not a co-winner but that's jmo.

I don't know what's going on with Archie or Kristy's CDs - though it seems early for Kristy's to be done already* - but I'd rather David take his time and make the CD that's everything he wants it to be. We know it's important to him to make something of substance. As impatient as I am, I'm willing to wait for something that good.

*I remember reading a fan meeting summary somewhere (either here or linked from here) that said Kristy had recorded for 9 hours on her Fourth of July holiday. So who knows when she's been squeezing in recording time?

Sidebar:
KLC release isn't really a surprise to me. First, she is pro'lly not writing her own material, so the songs were already written and ready to go - all she has/had to do is sing the vocal. Second, she's been off the show for a while, so she's had more time to lay down vocal tracks (and apparently work on her stage presence because she is getting kudos for improvement on stage vs the AI season). I dunno how it works technically, but I suspect KLC was able to work on songs before the official announcement of her signing a record label deal was announced.

Wow, I can't believe they are already releasing their own singles...

My money is on a new single from David will be released closer to the release of his album, which should be around September or October...that's only if they stick to the schedule of a November release, of course.

That's what I was thinking too.

Same here. She probably already has some material pre-written for her and of course Archie will too. I'm very glad to see this discussion is so much more rational here. Depending on how the recording process is going, my money is on late September/Early October for the single release. Furthermore, I don't think DC is being "Taylored" as some want to put it in those other threads here and at mj's blog. A lot of that is just hogwash with no facts to support the claims. Furthermore, I have no intentions of writing 19 or RCA with complaints either. That would tick RCA off and would not help David. People need to take a chill pill and calm the heck down! LOL

I support everything that Pam has said. I also think an August release isn't so great. Vacation time, low store and download sales, lower radio listening... trust me, the anticipation building for a well produced, well written album by DC will be great. And a November release for the CD is perfect for holiday sales (as Pam noted, Black Friday will be good for DC). That said, I think we can expect a single from DC to be released about a month before the album is out... look for a mid-October release. And don't be surprised of TOML is not on it the CD. I think it will be, but there's a chance it won't be. I hope it is not. But no problem if it is.

I heard KLC's album is supposedto be the first out of the three, which is odd, but apparently true. I think her album is due out in October... but DC would also naturally take longer to make an album as he's involved in the writing process and will also (probably) be doing some instrumentals as well. I think KLC would probably just pick from a selection of songs and not really get into the writing process, but you never know.

As far as DA's album coming out near DC's, it'll probably be after and it won't hit as big as DC's. At the end of the day I think the kid needs some more time to really find his niche, and then he'll be fine.

There's been so much talk about how close of a competition it was between the two of them, and maybe that's why DA got a record deal too and will have an album out around the same time. I dunno.

I just saw the tour last night. Archie needs to get a single out. My daughter and I were surprised that his fans were not as loud as we would have expected. Don't get me wrong he got the second loudest response...although Castro was very very close.

I think Archie has a chance of doing very well with singles, not that well with albums. If his stuff is produced the right way. Jonas Bros have opened the door for performers like Archie. KLC is country-a whole different genre and ballgame. The competition is over. I really like Archie, I also like KLC but I'm not a country fan, yet I've grown to like her style and persona. I really wish them well. Let them have their singles. Cookie will be the one we've all been waiting for, with a perfect release time... October for the single, November for the album, and that's when records really sell. I think this is all very good news, and to be expected.

Somehow, that doesn't surprise me. Jason's fans do seem to be represented in big numbers at these venues going by some of the concert recaps I have read. There have been instances on the cellcerts where Archie has gotten some deafening screams but that doesn't amount to single or CD sales at the end of the day because those people will have forgotten about him for hte most part when his CD hits the stores, so yeah, he does need a single now since he didn't get the benefit of a single coming in as the runnerup.

As far as DA getting a record deal, that is not unusual because he would have gotten one anyway coming in 2nd. In all the previous years leading to this one, all the runner ups have gotten deals, but just about all of them have lost their deals with the exception of Clay compared to only 2 of the winners losing their deals and in that case, I think it came down to Reuben and Taylor being good performers but not being marketable. I hope that Archie will be able to have some decent success in his future.

If Scott is right, and he may be, Archie may end up having the same problem as Jordin having singles that sell but an album that struggles to sell.

Will David have another single out before the album release? Dunno...I'd hope so! But the fact that Archie and Kristy will have singles out before David's album release doesn't matter at all. Let's not get too worked up about this and let's defintely not turn into Claymates bombarding RCA with questions. Just enjoy the ride.
Buy his records, request play on radio, buy tickets to his concerts...enjoy it!!!

I agree. People need to get a grip. Writing complaints to any of them is like shooting yourself in the foot. If anyone thinks that will help David's career, this person needs to think again. Does anyone really think that someone who got that many votes will have his success tampered with by the very people who hope to make big bucks off of him?

Jeannine

ok THANK GOD i read this thread before i posted my own freaking out lol thats what happens when you go to other sites and they rile you up with fear and then i got a stomachache and freaked out that they are trying to screw him over by putting out archie and KLC singles first. im so confused as to why KLC is putting out her album before the winner, does that usually happen? that is the only thing that strikes me as odd.

i have been worried for awhile now that david will have the "winner of idol curse" that everyone has had except carrie and kelly. everything that you guys have said makes sense to me. he does want to make an album that he can stand behind and that he cares about not just put out crap to make the label happy. that is why i love him so much he has integrity and wont comprise himself. for KLC to have an album already done, makes me think it is crap lol

thank god this is a rational discussion and not mass panic

I agree with Jeannine 100% on this.
Guys, David is WRITING for this album...Damn...that's INCREDIBLE. i feel that we've already gotten a huge victory in this regard and, for one, am happy as a pig in $hit about this. we really need to relax.

KLC's single courtesty of Bonafide Bice. I'm a Bo Bice fan also.

http://www.kfrog.com/topic/play_window.php...audioId=2740946

I cannot believe that this is the second thread about this topic. The first topic about this was posted yesterday.

I am going to copy what I just put on the other thread:
Can any one verify that our David is upset because his two peers are each dropping a single or an album before him? I don't think so, if David indicates that he is upset and if it coming from his mouth that is one thing.

There is a timeline based on the Joint Marketing Campaign with Sketchers: Based on the campaign David is going to have various means of having his name out there - already for the past two weeks he has been the featured artist on the Official RCA Website.

Idol tour ends: 9/13
Joint Marketing Campaign beings (Fall, 2008)
David has indicated that a single will drop in September T-Frame
I am sure that there will be media Tour to promote single and upcoming CD
CD to launch Mid/Late November T-Frame

I am sure that between RCA/Sketchers/David all is mapped out for this to be successful.

David is also heavily involved in the writing process so I am sure that he is not going to stick something on a track unless he is totally happy with it.

Please let us just enjoy the ride of successes and future accomplishments that David is having and will have and leave everything else to RCA/Sketchers/David.

Ok...so I am not a die hard AI fan. I watched the finals for 1st three seasons, then forgot about the winners and runners up. I remember hearing Clay, Bo, and McPHee before the winning idol, (I know they may not have released first, but I noticed the runner-up on the radio 1st). My thoughts of this at the time ? None. I think that the AI idol bubble is making more than what it is. When DC releases his single, he will be promoted at the winning idol. Because that is who he is. It doesn't matter, who is first to the rest of the public. Many don't follow, or validate AI.(sorry but it is true.) So please let's stick with the facts:

1) DC won AI by 12 million votes.
2) He has had tons of very positive press, much of which(such as Nightline, and Rolling stone) have focused on his musicality.
3) He was on people's hottest bachelors.
4)He was on VH1 hottest hunks under 25
5) Nominated for teen choice(vote)
6)Has important musicians writing with him(do ya think 19 might have contacted them?)
7)He is having freedom to write himself and be a big part of his upcoming release.
8)He just signed a GLOBAL endorsement with Sketchers.
This has nothing to do with what DC has done..let's see
1) Broke some important records with his iTune downloads.
2) TOML has gone gold.
3) He has his #1 in Asia with ABMB
4) Before they pulled it off Analog Heart did very well in sales.
ALL VERY POSITIVE events in his short lived climb to fame. Should 19 record capitalize on ARCHIE and any other idol? Sure why not, and being first or second or third to release doesn't matter if the material is good. Each one DC and ARCHIE have a large fan-base which will carry them through maybe the 200,000 - 300,000 sales from there on they must pick up a new fan base.
All idols are very different. I am glad they will all be releasing at different times. I just want some DC to ourselves enough sharing the spotlight. Him not rushing gives credibility and anticipation to a good quality product. Good luck to all idols, and especially our Cookie!!!!! Let's Be Positive, Peeps, IT IS ALL GOOD SO FAR!

I vowed I wasn't going to get caught up in this but I will post this once.
David is on solid footing.
KLC, DA and DC all are with the same label. They want all to succeed. They are banking a LOT on David Cook and have charted a prime release date for him. He's also had the first hit single... the other two may not even chart well at all. David has already proven he sells records and can chart. Don't write to anyone.... other than David to tell him you love him, or to radio stations to request that they play him. Just be a loyal fan. Don't try to manage his career.

Three diffferent audiences, no worries here. David can write his own music, he's miles ahead.

Yes! Exactly what I've been saying. If everyone would focus on all the positive things you mentioned, they would realize that all of this speculative worrying is unwarranted.

Phew, a return to sanity today! Southpaw you're absolutely right. So are Pam, Annette, Li'lsparrow, Jeannine and Annie, among others. Now let's talk about all the fun stuff.
Edit: One more thing. The music biz is not at all about being the first. It's about being the best. Or at least the best that you can be. And THEN, it's about a good release date. Not first, but the best timing. That kind of effort and timing is going into David's C's album. Unless I hear DC complain, I'm happy with all of this.

I agree with Scott. All of these responses are right on point and as Scott said, DC is happy right now and to me that is the most important thing of all the success so far is just gravy.

I keep saying this over and over. David Cook is an obscure musician from the Midwest that won a reality show at a time when it had largely fallen out of the limelight and was considered DOA. Six weeks later he has 6-10 songwriters at his disposal, and quite a few of them who don't have previous relationships with AI? He had assistance with these things. Either these musicians came to him because they watched AI and saw his potential or RCA/19 contacted these people and hooked Cook up with them. It will take longer to get the album put together because he wants to co-write and apparently they are happy to let him do it. That is definitely a sign of support.

I think so much of what we see inside the AI bubble is the experience of previous viewers. They want badly to back a winning horse, or are so caught up in what happened before that they can't see beyond the conspiracy theories. It's all about chart rankings and promotion dates and radio spins and payola and it gets so freaking exhausting. I need a break.

I want to just go back to what it was to see the show this year and see something genuine and real and artistic come out of a freaking AI contestant. Usually AI only comes across greatness by accident but this year there were actually people on the show who I would have CHOSEN to listen to in another context.

No matter what happens, I do credit this season of AI with giving me great music and getting me interested in music again period. I've been following the same group of alt-rockers and singer/songwriters since the mid to late '90s and truthfully most of them hadn't satisfied me in a long time and it was getting very hard to follow them. Now I have a new group of people to possibly follow to the ends of the earth. It would be great if the universe would make it easy for me, but if it's not, I don't intend to give up and I am not sorry I supported these guys in the first place.

Bingo! And don't we all keep saying that the competition is over? So who really cares if DA or KLC has a single out before DC does this fall? I bet DC doesn't care. He probably is genuinely happy for his friends.

I don't have to add any thing to this discussion. Scott, Annette, Pam and Lil'sparrow, I agree with you compeletly.

David will work at getting the best album he can and will be a huge success. Worry about the other contestants release dates is really silly, don't you think? Kristy is country, Archie is for the under 12 group, David is rock. They all appeal to different areas so it really doesn't matter.

Time Of My Life proves that David will do well no matter when his album is released. Let him work on it as he wants to. He knows what he is doing and wants to have the best he can.

Grandmajoyce

Thank God....I have enough to keep my life busy without having to manage his career as well.

Jeannine

I'm with you!!!

Grandmajoyce

yep that's my opinion too.I mean with rehearsing for the tour and then the actual tour itself..when did they have time to work on the albums?IMO they prob be rushed and not carefully thought out.AT least DC will have time to perfect his and he will also have his experiences from the road to inspire him for more music! However that don't make me green with envy that the others will be out first,lol..guess I am just jonesing badly for a new cookie fix,but good things come to those who wait,don't they?

I have to say there is no "winner of idol curse." Like you said Becky, "except Carrie and Kelly." But.. that's 2 out of 6 seasons (not counting David & season 7). That means 1/3 of the winners have been successful. Jordin Sparks may not be a superstar, but she's doing fine and it's still very early for her. I would say she's successful. That's 1/2. Fantasia had a great broadway run, but I'm not sure she will ever be a pop star. But 1/2 of Idol winners have succeeded, with 1/3 of them becoming bonafide, multi-platinum stars. That's not a curse. It just means winning translating into stardom is not a sure thing.

There is no curse...actually the idols that have not been as successful have thrown themselves under the bus. Taylor Hick's niche, according to his own management team, is more an adult contemporary demographic, which is difficult to market. Not only that, but in this demographic, singles, as well as cd's take longer to move up on the charts. Hicks, was also difficult to work with, refused to include the coronation song in his cd, which pissed of AI execs, and refused to take constructive advice from AI execs(including Clide Davis), so this pretty much sealed his fate. Fantasia, Studdard great voices, but the public hasn't gotten behind their song choices. By the way I was reading this stuff in the net, I don't know how to tag links. Sorry, I will find where I read this and post the link. Must do something around the house first...

There's nothing much to add to this and I agree 100% with everyone's opinions...

I would like to say that although I can't wait for DC's album I would rather he took his time on it and made it perfect.

Also, I think the reason so many Idol/X-Factor albums don't exceed expectation's is because they are rushed by 19 in order to ride on the wave generated by the win. It took a year for Leona Lewis' release here in the UK and even though it's not the kind of stuff I would listen to... she definately benefited from being given time and space. (She is at #2 in world album sales at the moment.)

I wonder if the Simon's and 19 are taking note of her success and treating DC the same way!??!! (I say this because...and this is not biased of me...it's pretty clear that he has the same 'star-potential')

Good point. I learned all the stuff about issues Taylor had with management and so on from this board. If I had trusted merely TWOP and to a certain extent MJ's, I would have run with the current theory of 19 in control of everything and it all being a huge conspiracy theory.

Frankly, I do not think they are in as much control as we think they are. If they could have gotten Ruben to sell more than Clay, don't you think they would have done it? If they could magically get Jordin to go platinum by now, don't you think they would have pulled THAT off?

Frankly, Idol success has a pattern. You have a big success. The next year you have a failure (by AI standards). Then you have a moderate success. Lather, rinse, and repeat. Kelly (success), Ruben (failure), Fantasia (moderate success). Carrie (success), Taylor (failure), Jordin (moderate success).

It's time to have a success story. They need it. It does them no good to go with what the conspiracy theories are saying, especially after Simon Fuller has run around town blabbing about how Cook will sell millions of records.

At any rate, I see no proof that Archie will even have his album out first. They may make him hold it until Cook is ready.

I am concerned that Archie is ready so fast, though. I think KLC has been plugging away at this for a while and we don't have to worry about her. Country is a very specialized genre and although there are crossovers I bet hardly anyone outside of AI knows she exists right now. If you look at #s right now even LN by Carrie is way behind TOML and we know how successful she is. Getting a crossover hit is NOT easy and until you do your numbers are lower.

The only thing that really bothers me is if the album is behind. Maybe Cookie should spend less time partying with MJ and more time in the studio! Just a thought.

Comparing David Cook to past Idol winners or contestants is somewhat irrelevant. Not because I think he is an Idol God far superior than all others. I just find it misleading to presume what happened in the past will also happen in the present. While it can sometimes be fun or seemingly beneficial to your argument, predicting what will happen to him based on what has happened to past Idol contestants is faulty logic. There are too many variables at play that will determine his level of success. A few of those variables I can think of are

1.Whether or not his style of music is popular at the moment
2. Percentage of AI viewers who consider themselves David Cook fans
3. Media attention he receives
4. Level of support & marketing he gets from his label
5. Whether or not is music is critically acclaimed
6. Level of radio airplay

Of course there are many more I could mention, but none of them would have any correlation to what has happened to past Idols.

LOL...right with ya, Jeannine!




Exactly! there's no guarantee that winning the show will translate into real music success. AI is a corporate business and, try as the might, they can't FORCE the public to like their artist. Granted, being the winner already gives you an edge with the public (above and beyond the marketing and label perks) because it means that a lot of people really liked you already.

David has said from the beginning that winning Idol is not the "catch all". He has said that this a springboard for artists.

OK SO 19 THEN

Good morning li'lsparrow. I've learned not to go to the scary boards ever. I just don't go there and I don't fret! MJ's blog is ok, but I don't read the posts in detail. I go for postings, links and general write-ups. She gets new information pretty quickly, as does Ricky.
Are you concerned about Archie getting the album out so fast because it could be bad for Archie, or for Cook? I think it's bad for Archie, and if it's a mistake I feel bad for him. If it works, then great.
19E management already said Cook's album will be first. They made it clear. Archie's single will probably be out 5 months before his album... August single, January album. They are definitely pushing Cook's album first and with a great strategy. I'm very happy with the timetable for Cook, the Sketchers' campaign, etc.
Finally, I hope you were joking about DC and MJ partying too much! David is so hard working, so professional and so prolific. He's working his butt off squeezing every free hour leftover from the tour into recording. The songs are all pretty much written by now. I expect Cook's next single in October, the CD in mid November (just before Thanksgiving) and if all goes well, another single released after the holidays. I'm very comfortable with this timetable and have no doubt that David is working his ass off for this.

I agree. I am sure that the timetable is fine. Getting the CD out near the holiday shopping rush will work in their favor as far as sales. I'm sure that he is in the studio recording when he is meant to be. Does anyone really think he has the option of not working on the CD in order to party? I think not. He doesn't have that much control over what he does at this time. I sure wouldn't worry about it. In the past, the runnerup had a single out at the same time as the winner...or close to it. Archie hasn't had that opportunity yet, so I think it is fine for him to have some sort of single out there.

Jeannine